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Woodstock's new steel stove

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by BrowningBAR, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. Backwoods Savage

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    Being able to personalize this stove will make a huge difference, especially when looking at the sides of the stove. I'm thinking something like a cabin in the woods with perhaps a deer or moose would really look nice. Some might even want their names on the stove. They can come up with some great designs.
     
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    Looking forward to the finished product! Woodstock is innovative for a small manufacturer.. Still think making this stove convective would be a huge plus though..

    Ray
     
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    Ray, that's a good point, would that be a differentiator? Looking at the competition they are targeting, are any of those convective, like the PEs or the BKs? I know the Alderleas are, but I'm not sure that's the target.
     
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    Hi Steve,
    Yes the PE's such as the Super27 & Summit are convective. The Jotul 50 & 55 I believe also are convective. The thing is that convective stoves do not have to be run with a blower but heat distribution is enhanced when desired and all stoves emit radiant from at least one side. The only radiant stoves that I am aware of that are tolerable are the soapstones due to less intense heat. At least this what I hear on the forums. Having seen the PH run at WS that can be quite intense especially from the front but this tends to be the case with most stoves. WS does employ double glass so this is reduced.. Even though the CDW was called convective the sides and front were radiant and I find the T5 comfortable when near the sides as they never exceed 250 degrees. Sitting next to anything that is 650 degrees is gonna feel damm hot to me!


    BTW go Redsox! Wow what a victory! Detroit has an excellent team but we managed to win the series :)

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    Yes the 50 and 55 are also convective. Our Jotul F50 is a steel box wrapped in cast iron clothes and it defiantly does not need a fan. We have our reading glider rockers in front of the stove and it is very nice and comfortable to sit in front of.
     
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    This is the point I am trying to drive home Pete! This would be much more important when in a smaller home or spending the majority of your time in the room where the stove resides which is quite common.. My dad had an old homemade steel smoke dragon in the early 70's and the radiant heat was unbearable even when 15' away from the stove I felt like my face would ignite!! Man I hated that feeling plus it dried my skin out wicked bad! I will never heat with a stove like that after experiencing convection heat! The T5 is great for comfort in the same room even when 2' away and I bet the Jotul 50 & 55 are the same way..

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    I am a bit curious about the new Woodstock stove and really would like to see how it does however I am the same way. We had steel stoves growing up and all the way till the F50 we bought NEVER again will we buy a steel only box. They do a great job of throwing heat but at the cost of comfort. Soapstone is fantastic no matter the brand Woodstock makes it look great too. Hopefully there's won't be the same as a conventional steel box.
     
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    I hear you Pete! If you're not comfortable then you're sacrificing something and we not only want to heat economically but also comfortably. We accept the extra work that goes with alternative non-petroleum heat sources but expect the same or better output. Steel stoves can be comfortable if they employ heatshields (read convection) but cast iron or soapstone are better at evening that heat out.

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    Still not a fan of those legs, yet.
     
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    One of those things you need to see in person.. WS is good quality and pics don't do them justice..
     
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    The smoke dragon I just got rid of was a bit like that as well, we can definitely feel the difference that the Soapstone makes. I'm not sure that soapstone makes any difference in moving the air, as I understand many convective stoves do, and hence distribution of the heat better.

    Interesting that when I poke around the PE stove website, it mentions the convective concept in relationship to the Alderlea line, but not the Summit, and Blaze King doesn't talk about it at all. (maybe I've missed it, or they're calling it something else)

    I think there may be a bit of "Walk Before We Run" in the Woodstock strategy and I wouldn't be surprised to see a some form of convective and/or hybrid type designs in the future. Right now I think they are working out the kinks in the most basic stove and also learning how to use this new casting machine so they can bring a lot of that work in-house to start out. But I think we've all heard references from them regarding other stoves down the road. The convective stove functionality certainly is an opportunity to meet, if not beat the competition.

    PS that Floating Firebox design the PEs have is an interesting feature.
     
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    Ray, you know we disagree on that point. I'll take radiant heat any day before convective.
     
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    And you know there is a huge difference with soapstone. It will remain to be seen how the new stove does though.
     
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    I hope. Right now, those legs are brutal looking based on the photos available, which isn't a lot. At this point, going with traditional cast legs like other steel stoves would have been a better option.
     
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    You're right BB steel just isn't as graceful as cast iron and WS castings are high quality.
     
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    Hi Dennis!
    As always I respect your opinion! Further down I posted that soapstone is a gentler sort of heat so I tried not to generalize.. Sitting next to a steel VS soapstone radiant is 2 different worlds my friend as you know ;) I did experience soapstone 1st hand with you and the ornery one at WS :) Very impressed to this day too :) Of course meeting you and Judy overrode the WS factory! One of the finer moments in my life to meet a wood burning legend!

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    What is a "steel VS soapstone" stove?
     
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    Interesting. I've owned steel, cast iron, and soapstone. All things being equal (size and stove temps) I do not notice much of a difference at all.
     
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    VS = versus.. I was just comparing the 2 stove types.. Steve do you find soapstone heat to be different than your old stove?
     
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    My experience growing up was the steel stove heat was VERY intense.. When at WS I found them to be much milder by comparison.. Probably because soapstove heat is more uniform so less noticeable hot spots.. You don't find this to be the case? Maybe I should judge on a case by case basis? Not trying to throw stones here..

    Ray
     
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