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Wood moisture readings

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  1. Woodshax

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    So this should start some "hated" conversations......According to the National Firewood Association....

    Also remember that it is possible for wood to be too dry, although not likely in any typical scenario. Wood that is too dry burns too intensely, using up all the available oxygen in the stove before the gaseous and airborne byproducts of combustion can be burned in the firebox. The result is increased smoke output. If there is, by chance, enough oxygen available, burning very dry wood results in a very hot fire that’s difficult to control and can warp and crack your stove and/or chimney.

    Shoot for wood that’s between 15 -20% MC for the best results.
     
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    Ok, Good point! "But" a little common sense here goes a long way! I can look and a piece of wood, "and most seasoned burners can" and decide wether it goes in the stove or not. If the bark is falling off and it's not punky or soft it's nearly perfect. Back to Backwoods Savages writings, the three year plan is a "well suited" and well rounded starter and safe method. I've been doing that for years before I came to this site but learned it from old school folks. We've had a stove in our place since I was a child, nearly infant. I myself have been burning almost 37 years since I was on my own. "You are correct"!, and what drying factor in say, where you're at in Texas will not be the same as say someone in Maine or Alaska. Will there be stupidity, "of course" But that's also why we post the helpful resource boards here on the site and show folks "where and what temp" a stove should be burning at. We encourage the use of a stove magnetic thermometer and pipe thermometer, if you follow some basic guidelines you'll be safe and fine! :)
     
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    Thank you for your service.
     
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    No matter how old the wood the lowest readings I get are about 15% more or less so pretty much what you are finding, depending on the wood and the condition when cut it can be 15% in as little as 3 months (dead elm is a good example).
    A good part of the year I build two fires in one day from a cold stove, otherwise the house gets too warm and believe me 15% (in the middle of a fresh split) is more then dry enough for quick starts.
    "As the MC of wood drops below the FSP, it will continue to lose moisture until it eventually stabilizes at a value that is commensurate with the surrounding moisture in the air. This is known as the point of equilibrium moisture content, or simply EMC. The EMC will change based upon the fluctuating temperature and relative humidity of the surrounding air"
     
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    Because of the EMC few will see wood too dry, I guess it could happen is some hot dry climates otherwise it usually happens with kiln dried wood.
     
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    I have seen the stove go crazy with wood that had a little punk in it, secondaries look like blow torches for a short period of time but never with good wood no matter the age.
     
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    Let me know when you boys reach EMC squared. It's a fire I don't want to miss out on!
     
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    But the question still remains. Do your really have to know what the actual moisture reading is? If so, I've been doing this wrong for over 60 years now because I've never known what the actual moisture reading is before burning wood. Yet, I've also had no problems.
     
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    So, if there is increased smoke output, is that bad? Isn't this what the tube stoves are good for and for sure the cat stoves. After all, they burn the smoke! And for what it is worth, I still have yet to see wood that is too dry.
     
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    Nope not at all, but some new to the scene and or people with storage limitations might want to know and where they stand so I think it could be a useful tool for many. All the talk of dry wood for the EPA stove made me wonder how dry my wood was, it's a fun toy.
    I will burn wood that is a lot less then 3 years old if it is 15% or so as I see no reason to leave it sit for any length of time.
     
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    It comes from the the secondary tubes not being able to keep up with the extra gases, like I said before I doubt it happens under most (normal) conditions.
     
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    Exactly Oldspark.....rarely happens unless in a very low humidity environment.....but in other areas where very humid...they may never get below 20%....so the moisture meter always seems the best way to burn and not be afraid of a chimney fire....I sell only firewood at state parks so I just care that it is dry enough for the campers to get started and keep burning so once it is below about 24% I can sell it
     
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    Yes!!!! Me too! Anything I have with punk goes to the outside fire pit for the kids.
     
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    Without getting wrapped up in Thermal dynamics, relative heat and steam dispersant and nuclear fusion, I started this to assist some new folks for a basic guide line of staying safe.
    Horse dead!!!:deadhorse::whistle:
     
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    Yep for sure, I pizzed off some people the last time the topic came up.
    Edit-I am still not sure why or how that happened.
     
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    The only time I use a mm is when i find some wood on the side of the road that seems dry. Just wanna know if it goes in this years pile or next. Havent gotten to the three year point yet. But trying!!!
     
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    I don't believe you P1$$ed anyone off as much as "over thinking" the whole issue. :confused: We are all wood burners and not sending a man to the moon, we just want heat. I don't think the science application needs to be splitting hairs for us, that's all. I know there's "many" of us can talk science and are smart enough to go into the physics behind it all but what's the point?
    BTU's are BTU's in our wood stoves, I'm not cooking off a thermo nuclear reactive core at 18,000º and worrying nuking my neighbors. "even though there's a few I'd like too"...:p
     
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    True story! When I herniated a disk in my back in 2010 and had surgery in 2011 I had no worries that I would have seasoned wood.
     
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    Just top covered. Many do it this way. This wood is close to burnable, but 1 more season and it will be good. There's no problem, that wood just needs 4 years CSS'd.

    If it were in a big pile, and not just top covered, yes. That's a problem.

    This stuff was cut after the leaves were out in early summer. So that would add to the MC of the wood, vs if it were cut when the tree is dormant in winter. I've seen enough proof to that theory, which will save a full summer of drying time if you can do it.
     
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