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That's my main beef right there, and I'm not aiming it at you Dave. I refuse to be categorised by some people as a "wrong" or a cancer on the planet.
We are what we are and we do what we do and Earth worship isn't big on my bucket list.
Life expectancy has never been better on the planet, crop production has never been better and more people than ever have been lifted from grinding poverty by trade and modernity. Deaths from natural disasters are down 98% in the last hundred years.

Every single thing we do has an effect on some aspect of the planet. So be it, I'd rather live in this life than a hundred years ago. One hundred years from now people will say the same thing about today.
We live in the best of times right now in most aspects and not too many people want an ideology forced upon them that would return them to the nineteenth century and all of its miseries.

I am human, not a cancer.

 

Very cool Larry. Thanks man.

 

Well Chris, at least that response has some substance, and for that I give you credit - substance is key. However, you pick interesting reasons to support the exploitation of the one & only planet we've been provided . . . all inwardly human based, of course.

Life expectancy is up not because we're taking better care of ourselves and our surroundings, but rather because we have countless machines and chemical concoctions that extend life in years from a data standpoint, but do nothing for quality of life or contribution to society.

Crop production is higher because of synthetic fertilizers, herbicides, pesticides, GMOs, etc. Not because we're better farmers, but rather because science/chemicals/mutations have allowed it at the expense of many things we know of any many we haven't yet figured out.

More people being "lifted from grinding poverty" is not necessarily a good thing in the grand scheme of things. With our enthusiastic transfer of wealth from the US to China and others nations, more regions are coming into second and first world conditions. Sounds great, right? Without droning on with details, suffice it to say it will be problematic when our cheap WalMart society can no longer get those 'affordable' goods because the china-children who make our disposable crap start making more money which in turn will lead to demanding an even higher wage and forming organized labor forces, etc.. Where will our "I don't give a chit where it comes from as long as it's cheap" society source goods when we run out of poverty stricken regions that will make it cheap at the cost of their health, pride, children, future, etc.? Suddenly everything will start costing more for an already over-extended society...

I'm not sure how reduced deaths from natural disasters is relevant to this conversation? Unless of course you're alluding to herd control, in which case we need to recognize that NATURAL disasters contribute to keeping things in balance.

If your opinion is that life on this planet will be better in 100 years, then that might be the point we disagree on the most. Fortunately though, neither of us will still be here for an "I told you so".

I am human, and I am a cancer. I'm doing what I can though to educate myself and reduce my negative impact as well as the negative impacts of others. Not just sitting back and watching. In most facets of life I've been a person more inclined to take action than sit back and watch things happen and just accept the status quo.

 

I am human, and I am a cancer. I'm doing what I can though to educate myself and reduce my negative impact as well as the negative impacts of others. Not just sitting back and watching. In most facets of life I've been a person more inclined to take action than sit back and watch things happen and just accept the status quo.[/QUOTE]

My condolences to you for loathing your existence but it's your opinion of yourself and I respect that.
Just don't try and force that self loathing ideology on me through laws or regulations.

 

Wow, all this from watching am movie. I guess some folks needed to get a few things off of their chest, and that's ok. But me, I'm just gonna throw another log on the fire. There is nothing like a good fire on a cold day to warm an old mans bones. A simple pleasure in life that we here all share.

 

No condolences needed here, but thank you for your concern and respect. I have a distaste for apathetic people and I find they tend to truly be the most miserable in life. I do not suffer from self-loathing; I'm a very positive person and I enjoy every moment of life. There is so much here to experience and enjoy and my hope is for as much of it as possible to remain here for future generations to experience and enjoy. Caring about the world around me is not such a bad way to live, and I am not ashamed of that. With my time in this world I choose to take small steps to leave it a better place (for all occupants) rather than to accept any situation as okay because "that's the way it has always been". Accepting the status quo is not how things get accomplished, advancements get made, or goals get met.

I'm sorry, I don't understand how laws and regulations can force a self-loathing ideology - can you please give some examples of what you're referencing there?

 

I'll pass, I've said my piece.

 

Here are my thoughts, Anyone here at the FHC cares about our world and that's we heat with an American 100% natural renewable source. I think the market place, Free Enterprise will make a lot of our current and future problems get acted on. The gov't didn't tell stores they had to sell organic produce and free range chickens, people voted with their dollars and producers raised and stores stocked them. I'm getting older and I've seen a lot of laws passed, which equals more money. I still live in a rural fiercely independent state where the less laws the better. People will spend their money on clean and green power, a someone will provide/sell it to them. "Live Free or Die" Two cents from NH and that's all I'll say.

 

Uh... you live in Canada, Ontario Canada. That means a double whamy of our "Nanny State"
Good luck with that....