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What’s Going On with Woodstock Soapstone?

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Todd, Dec 5, 2025.

  1. brenndatomu

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    Well, you aren't wrong...those Englander were an excellent value!
    My inlaws are still using the NC 30 I put in their new house...a 13 would have been more appropriately sized, but the 30 was the one on a blowout price deal...it works...FIL gets carried away and the windowstats have to be engaged sometimes :D
     
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    Guilty! Been there done that! Many times!
     
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  3. Backwoods Savage

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    I always have to laugh when I read stuff like the above. :whistle: :rofl: :lol:

    It is amazing what one reads when someone thinks cat stoves are no good. Of course all he has to do is pick out negative stuff that people write and keep quoting that. But they won't pick out the good stuff. People seem to love talking about negative things.

    I will not say much except I have owned and operated many different stoves over the years but only one stove that has a catalyst. Has the cat been a problem? No.

    I love that part about cleaning solutions. I even read about the "problem" of having to clean the cat all the time. Good Lord, I am thankful I don't have that problem. Just look at the time spent cleaning said cat. Two times during winter I lift car from stove and gently brush (using a small paint brush) the cat, put it back in and it is done. This takes around 2 minutes. I do not consider that a problem. I do sometimes give the cat a bath in the summer (but I am still not sold it is necessary). This involves removing the cat and spraying with white vinegar and distilled water. This does take longer as I did ours last summer and it took me 10 minutes. Also, there is not a big cost for vinegar and water.

    Only one time did I have to wait for a new cat. I had to wait a whole month! Problem? No.

    I also fail to see how it would cost $1500 over 15 years to replace the cats. That is just blowing this thing way out of proportions. Once someone does that he is not being truthful or has read it somewhere from someone else who didn't know.

    This is the problem with many folks who do not understand cat stoves and that includes those who sell them. Also when epa made manufacturers clean up their act and make the stoves burn cleaner, they had problems. Again, they don't understand and start with a negative attitude. If one wants to find negative things he can always do that. It is easier than trying to understand.
     
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    I don't think I ever said that cat stoves aren't any good. I will re-read my posts but do not remember saying that....at all. The OP of this thread posted that there are issues with customer service and cats.

    As far as the $1500 over 15 years amount was arrived at, another member suggested that the replacement cost of a cat averaged out to that amount. I thought it was an amount achieved at reasonably. But calling it untruthful and negative is borderline accusatory. Another wording may have been better.


    I and everyone else know that you unequivocally support woodstock and their products. You have posted about this for years. Not only on here (FHC) but also on hearth. (BTW, those earlier years over there were some good ones! Just as the early years here were the best!!!)

    Stihl/husky; Ford/Chevy. Covered/Uncovered. Horizontal/Vertical. And so many other decades worth of threads!! It all boils down to what a person wants, no? :handshake:

    Is there anything that a little vinegar and water can't freshen up? :rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol:
     
  5. brenndatomu

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    We'll let you slide since you haven't been to a gtg, so you don't know about the porta potties afterward...o_O
     
  6. Canadian border VT

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    yooperdave it was probably me that said I pay on average $100 dollars a year in cat cost.
    I had an NC-13 stove, it wasn’t stoves fault it was too small for my needs. My uncle is a lot like you and has had his Fisher Grandma bear for 25 years. I used similar, short version my house is bigger with higher ceilings, he burns 8 cord average winter I burn burn 4 with cat. Yes I have to order and clean cats. For me that is easier than 4 more cord of wood. You saved $100 a year. I would spend that $100 on processing 4 more cord.

    that’s $25 a cord, it costs me more than that in gas and oil (chainsaw and splitter) diesel for tractor, chains, bar oil, filter etc etc

    not to mention time that I can spend on FHC giving you a hard time.. which is more fun :p:handshake:
    In spring we Brothers and I will go help him with his cords as he is close to Dennis age
     
  7. Horkn

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    Interesting discussion. I'm just reading it all now. That said I have a bit of experience with manufacturing and sourcing of components, be it cast iron, fasteners, steel, etc. that's literally my job. I can say that there's quite a few foundries, in the States and elsewhere. But it takes time and dedicated personnel to be able to source these things. Tariffs have complicated procurement, I'll leave it at that because it's so complicated. I hope Woodstock stoves has more of this figured out than how they had it operating before. It takes people, dedicated people at that, to keep the supply chain going. You simply cannot just let it go as it was operating previously, because that method doesn't work anymore. I used to work in an industry that used a lot of catalyst materials ( regenerative thermal oxidizers, RTO) and I bought all of the catalyst for that company.

    I don't have a cat stove, but I appreciate their efficiency.
     
  8. Highbeam

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    I probably spend 100$ per year on cats too. That’s not unreasonable at all. Totally worth it.
     
  9. timusp40

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    Hmmmm? Failed to read anywhere in this extensive discussion about the life of combustors in relation to how they are cared for and operated. I lot of variables can change life dependency quite a bit. Type of fuel, moisture content, burn rate, cleaning, etc. Attached is a picture that I took yesterday of our 6 year old Woodstock steel unit. Should have wiped off the glass for clarity. Just fly ash. I only brush off fly ash every few burns and clean it thoroughly before every burn season. No complaints as it still is working ok. To each his own!
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