Hello I wrote about the clips I found some really nice hold up clips because I did not have luck with the hoops. The hoops are good when adjusting them often and I know people who have had good luck with them. I like these clips because of the loop and you have some leeway and wiggle room. See this blog Finally - A better way to tie up tomato plants! Now I just found these 4 foot plastic coated steel poles with stubs to prevent the clips from slipping 25 pack for $28.99! These poles with the clips really help for the heavy big boys. Any else use these plant stakes for tomato plants?