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Tires-specifically retreads

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  1. yooperdave

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    I don't think it needs balancing either. The weights are still on and there is absolutely no shimmy or shake or vibration in the steering wheel or rest of the truck.
     
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    On a modern truck I bet its really hard to feel a slightly out of balance rear.
     
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    Wow Dave in sorry to hear all this trouble... I have just gotten mine installed and problem free. They ride fantastic! I hope yours get cleared up soon.....
     
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    I'm sure that it will be resolved. I think so. I hope so. Well....
     
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    will hazard a guess that the belts have shifted in the tire casing. In the past I never had a problem with there product, something has changed starting before the move to Texas.

    Tread seperation- had a Firestone transport ( virgin tire) peel apart at about 40 mph this summer. trashed the rear left 1/4 panel and the exhaust on my 350 by the time I stopped. During the next 3 months 2 more of the same set of 5 had belt migration problems. For what it's worth. I never had these kinds of tire problems in the past 40 years, retreads or virgin on my light trucks or cars and there was a period of many years where I was driving some 80k miles a year. About 4 years ago bought a brand new 5ton trailer with 5 tires. Not retreads , sorry can't remmeber brand. One tire band new never on road out of the five had a sidewall bulge shortly after it was mounted, don't know what the dealer was trying to pull as it was very obvious but got it replaced before I left his lot.
    So it seems that QC in the tire industry as a whole has gone the way of most everything else- buyer beware.
     
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    Ill tell ya every pair of Goodyear wranglers I've had has bulged in the first 3 months. They are however cost effective so they have been purchased. Coopers have been good but are very pricey! These retreads ride very nice if not a tad noisy but that ok.

    I was in the trucking industry and drove on many retreads and not a single blowout with them. The new tires on the otherhand I had 2 in one year blow and loose their tread completely. One almost killed the driver behind me... A very nice lady! We had retreads on everything even steers.

    Somebody asked about tirerecappers.com? I have a friend with a set of mudders from their and nothing but good to say. If you buy 4 tires they ship free and answer the phone right away and provide fast shipping.

    I like treadwright because of the remold tech they use. ITs not retread so much as re rubber. They wrap the tire around with rubber rope and press the tread into it or that is how it was explained to me.
     
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    Here is the remold process..

    How It's Made Remolded tires:
     
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    If it makes you feel any better, I went through 3 replacement tires of Dunlaps in the late 90's, and they were new, not retreads. They were visibly bubbling on the sidewalls ( I had them mounted with lettering facing in). Could be luck of the draw? Bet they will replace them without hassel and you will be good in no time. Except who pays for the remounting/spin balance?.....
     
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    viewing that vidio - a patches on a remanufactured tire are against fed specs ( or used to be anyway), and why would you grind the steel belts - which would cut them and cause additional problems down the line, same with the punching a hole and shooting full of whatever. If that vid was from treadwright I would steerclear. If this is the latest Industry process i can see why there are so many reported problems. I am going to talk to tire recappers later today, that vid gives me specific questions to ask. In the past no tire that was retreaded was allowed to be done if it had punchures, patches, or worn belting. Looks like the standards have slipped big time.
     
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    Regulations are very stiff in regards to retreads and remolds after the Firestone fiasco happened. I am very much partial to theremold personally. I have no idea who the vid or where the vid is from it mainly shows the process. The show is Canadian so I am assuming its probably not a us company like treadwright. Retreads are historically worse than remolds however that's not the case anymore they are about even. They also grind and patch fill retreads its how it works. Patches have been used for a long time on retreads. They are not the same as new with a patch. On retread they are filling new rubber over the holes its not an issue anyways. With new its patching through the new rubber and not filling but leaving an existing hole.
     
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    Grinding rubber ok, Grinding steel belting no - same as using frayed winch cable. The integrity of the belting is destroyed. The firestone issue was virgin tires not retreads. Pumping a hole full of compound will not always seal. Might plug the base hole but still allows for seepage into or between tread layers on a recap - and that can lead to seperation issues virgin or recap ( Been there)
    The specs used to be that no casing with any type of punchure or wear into the belting were not to be used for purposes of recapping. If these points of spec have been modified then Recaps for anything other than low speed or off road should be avoided. Peeling a tread off or explosive fail of a tire during any type of hiway or local road driving is not something you want to experience ( got t-shirt) in addition the damaged that can be caused both cosmetic and under carriage can be very extensive ( t shirt, hat , armband the works).
     
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    I don't disagree about the grinding of steel belts at all! My point is it's a Canadian company not US and judging all companies by an old Canadian video isnt what I meant..... What I was showing was the way the rubber is wrapped around then pressed to make the tread.:thumbs:

    I do understand where your coming from. Where I am coming from is having been a truck driver and only having blow outs on virgin tires not recaps! It literally almost killed the lady behind me as I said above....

    Regardless if they where virgin or not the firestone incident caused a massive overhaul in the retread industry and it was visible in all our tires. You could literally see the difference in the quality after the new regs went into effect.

    By the way what's the shirt arm band thing about lol?
     
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    I was wondering about the cost of balancing/mounting also, but after I thought about it, I arrived at the conclusion that even a warranted new tire that has been proven defective, remounting/balancing costs are not covered. I suppose if I had pushed it...I'm glad that I didn't have to cover shipping!
     
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    I actually saw that episode back in the day.
     
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    That shoe may be made in canada but I dont know its from 10 years ago and was made for the discovery channel. I dont have signal to watch it but that scene and talks description is what I remember happening on the show.
     
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    Shirt, arm band ect just means been there done that had it happen and the like. Passenger side rea i/4 panel and under carriage look like someone started to put through a shredder and ten changed their mind. pic just some of damage
     

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    I think pete knew what you were referring to...at least I do?
     
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    Ouch brother! That's what I thought you meant but I was curious... When my trailer tires went they took out the windshield of the car behind me. Some scary stuff there ... Glad your safe!
     
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    Holy Moly, Chris! Thats quite the damage from one blown tire. Did your truck get fixed also?
     
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    :doh: on your pics