I think there is way more pollution and smoke and particulates and crap from OWB’S than any old non epa stoves. Them people will burn anything. Wet wood,green wood,railroad ties. I’ve seen it all including tires.
Im not trying to call you out on this...but I have a hard time believing it based on my own experience. I have an OWB built in 2006 so we're talking pre-EPA boiler, it has no secondary burn. Just smolders in there and kicks a fan on when it calls for heat, etc. My first 2 years burning I cut/split completely green red-oak in the summer months (June-Sept or so) and stacked it, then burned it from Nov-Apr or so...needless to say, it was not even close to seasoned. While my OWB smoked, it did not smoke anywhere near what you're describing. Mostly it smoked the first few times the fan kicked on after I loaded it full of fresh wood, and even then it never created any sort of thick cloud around my house. Again, I dont mean to be saying you're lying by any means...I just think maybe this is an exaggeration based on my experience. Oh and also BTW...I've since learned better and have been slowly getting further and further ahead so Im burning more and more seasoned wood, and the dragon definitely smokes way less.
My dad has a OWB...smokes just like that sometimes...people driving down the road occasionally have to slow down to drive through the cloud rolling across the road They are talking about getting a new one sometime in the next year or two...it is a pretty old CB
Heck, only 6 pages before the OWB bashing kicked in! You OWB haters are really slowing down this time around! Nothing wrong with them. just burn dry wood. It ain't the fault of the stove/OWB its the fault of the uneducated public. First OWB was in 93 and I've owned two more since then. No complaints form neighbors and no regrets. The mess is outside and the added benefit is that it heats 100% of domestic water as soon as I light it off in October and shut off in May. The power company has changed the gas meter twice with 4 years..."just as normal maintenance" . Give it up to conform to your beliefs? Not a chance. Burn seasoned wood? Yup, many years ago.
Just to poke fun of what was already being made fun of in the first post. Your Fisher, all by itself, spews out more airborne particulates than twenty EPA approved woodstoves. So this guy actually measured a Fisher? At what burn rate? Which epa stove did he measure against or compare to? Did he find the lowest, highest, or maybe an average particulate rate for epa stoves? Did he use the same wood in all stoves? Your new stove would burn about half the wood, deposit about one tenth the creosote in your chimney, and liven up your living room with a stay-clear view of the fire. And your neighbors would be hard-pressed to tell, by looking at your chimney, whether you had a fire going or not!"... What if we assume a person who would burn unseasoned wood in an old stove, might burn the same stuff in a newer stove??? How would an epa stove rate then for particulates? Or would a guy have a come to Jesus moment, and totally change burning practices overnight? Any chance there's more than a bit of hyperbole happening here?
There is nothing wrong with them. I am in no way trying to make it seem that way. I'm trying to point out how irresponsible people ruin things for everybody else. It's like anything else in life, common courtesy Wich is repeated in one way or another all the time here. Just like you said it's responsible use. Understood. There is a place and time to use them. Could you say that if you had one 150yards upwind from someone you would use it not only for your home but farm, and refire it a few times a day? All year round? I would think most reasonable and courteous people would say no. I only have a few pictures that won't give away privacy or location and they aren't great. This was during my dad's birthday party. This seems to be normal operation. That plume runs for over an hour usually before cutting down to half of what you see. Sometimes with still air it's hard to see over. I have video of cars slowing for the plume. It is a valley area too, so it makes it worse. Picture from side porch looking West Smoke usually rolls opposite direction. The last one is him smoking himself i chuckled...and more average operation. I'm not bashing owb. I would like one myself. When I move I plan on getting one. I know I can't have one now without inconveniencing neighbors. I'm mentioning or pointing out a person who is the %.0001 who is a real duck. Most people are good and do the right thing if they think they know what it is. I'm the biggest opponent to punishing everyone else for one persons actions. There is always that one person who ruins things. That's why pure democracy is wrong, And how most people's feelings (usually socialist)don't override the few peoples right to life liberty and persuit of happiness. Sadly we have come to a point of mob rule, where simply pointing out a situation makes people feel the need to defend themselves. People are too judgmental narcissistic and disrespectful to take time to think, especially of other people. Instead they try to find reasons why their will or feelings should be crammed down someone else's throat.
Yuck!! How do even the owners stand all that smoke?!? We don't have emmissions testing here for autos, OMG sometimes if you get behind a diesel bellowing black exhaust Matter of time till white siding on that house next door turns brown. What's the problem, wet wood? Or burning stuff other than wood? We have an OWB burner down the road, it never-ever is like that, just a bit at start up. Sorry for your parents, and I do understand they want to be "friendly neighbors" but shouldn't the dirty burners be friendly too? Hey, I'll send the good burning guide to them anonymously if you'd like.
Yeah that looks pretty bad! But knowing what I know about OWBs I can tell you that isnt just an OWB doing its normal thing...that guy is not burning good, seasoned wood. If he were it would not smoke like that at all. You can have an OWB in the same area you'd have any woodstove as long as you're using good burning practice - clean, well seasoned WOOD only...and maybe extend the stack up higher if nearby some people to help keep the smoke up and away. That guy that lives next to your parents isnt burning clean, seasoned wood...if he were it wouldnt be creating a cloud like that.
Yep, what's not normal is the operator. Any one who thinks they smoke like that "normally" does not have a clue.
Can anyone tell me who this quote is from? "The effect of this machine, well managed, is to burn not only the coals, but all the smoke of the coals, so that while the fire is burning, if you go out and observe the top of your chimney, you will see no smoke issuing, nor any thing but clear warm air."
I cant, but I can tell you I believe it. Even my non-EPA OWB burns that way when I'm burning good seasoned wood!
I will wait and see if anybody has a guess, I can give a clue, you are not going to believe how old it is.
Up a few posts, I note a claim that the new EPA stoves will burn lots less than the old smoke dragons. I have not noted a significant difference between my Allnighter and my NC-30 in that regard. Maybe it is less, but the difference disappears in the noise. I do think the 30 smokes a little less (not sure it is as clean as the tests claim), and it is a nicer stove to operate. It was a worthy upgrade. However, forcing such an upgrade on someone "for the environment" would be silly, as a bad wood burner can make this smoke just as well as any other stove. Rather than regulating the stove one burns in, shouldn't any community effort be directed towards helping people burn clean?
I agree! I think circulating under different load/demands makes it worse. He is always there with his chainsaw too. It's obviously a good example of what not to do. Franklin stove!
Well...with wood being an obsession I guess I am a nerd then...and with other things that I do. As for Ben Franklin, I have always been fascinated by his life and diversity.
