This thread has gone dormant since the last cider season but I can't resist. I grew up in a house that actually had an old cider mill on the property. My Dad (born 1908) could remember when it was an active source of income for the family. At the end of every season, they'd take one barrel of hard cider and leave it out for the winter. Once it had frozen up.....all that would freeze....they'd pop out the bung hole and drain out what didn't freeze. Apple Jack kept them warmer through Feb. and March.