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Discussion in 'Everything Else (off topic)' started by Wouldsplitter, Jan 22, 2021.

  1. Camber

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    Yes it was meant to be kind of funny in a way I guess. I have to admit that I love mining. I loved to log also, but it has been pretty much canceled. I hauled ore out of a mine above Helena, Mt, but got out of it due to MSHA regulations. Now if I put on Gaffs it will cost someone a bare minimum of three hundred dollars, so I guess there is still some money to be made with a saw.

    My daughter watched a silly cartoon called Fern Gully years ago. She came home from a slumber party and told me that I was Fern Gully's worst nightmare.:rofl: :lol: I considered that a compliment. I also pray for global warming. This has been the best winter of my life so far. I've burned 5 cord less that what is typical.

    Now I don't hate Electric vehicles at all. I just see them for what they are at the time in history. I won't be around when they finally become something remotely feasible for my way of life.
     
  2. DaveGunter

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    This is the big issue for me...longevity. The Hyundai Ioniq has a lifetime battery warranty, something I bet will become the norm for other manufacturers.
     
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    The figure of 45k for a replacement battery on the model s 85kw, was higher than it is now. Battery cost is going down, but it's still very expensive. Some will say that a battery will last 200,000-400,000 miles. Possibly. There's a lot of unknowns. Also the batteries do degrade and lose capacity. How bad will it be with the original design batteries at 200,000 miles?

    Hopefully not like my lithium Braun shaver that is needing a replacement battery. Sure it runs, but for very short periods. A new battery is probably more money than it's worth to replace because you can just buy a new shaver. If a battery on a Tesla will last 10 yrs and 200,000 miles, but the charge will only get you 50 miles, you are losing most of the effectiveness of the concept.
     
  4. Horkn

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    Brothers.

    Oh boy Screenshot_20210127-094119(1).png
     
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    Chevy says 10-40% reduction in capacity at 100K miles is to be expected and normal. Reduced battery capacity in that range does not get warranty coverage. Not sure how much more capacity you lose with more time and mileage or if it's linear. There are some stories out there of half million mile Volts, but I have no idea what they've done to them to keep them on the road.

    The Hyundai lifetime warranty is only for the original owner.
     
  6. Wouldsplitter

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    Also at some point when you are the richest man on the planet I think it would be a decent move to start giving a discount to the people who made you rich. But at the same time you don't start a business to give your product away for less money. (shrug) Hopefully with businesses competing the consumers will see lower prices.
     
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    I would be ideal for an EV. I commute about 10 mi each way every day. I almost never drive more than 100 miles at a time. If I do, my wife has the gas Subaru and I have the gas pickup truck. Too bad I can't afford to get rid of my daily driver, which is actually a diesel sedan.
     
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    True, but think of the infrastructure you would need to build equivalent charging stations. It will be a slow roll out for that reason I believe. The power grid is already not sufficient in several areas in the country. Look at the blackouts in Cali.
     
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    I was just thinking about that yesterday after I "went to work" (sometimes my mind wanders so badly it is amazing I get anything done at all). Not only do some areas have rolling brown-outs or black-outs. but also, during wildfire season and high winds, they shut down sections for days at a time.
     
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    I am very skeptical on the carbon neutral/climate change hysteria.
    The amount of energy GM uses to turn raw materials into vehicles is going to require a huge amount of windmills and solar panels.
    And then more windmills and solar panels to charge the batteries.
    The math doesn't work.:doh:
     
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    From NY Times 1/27/21
    Tesla
    on Wednesday reported its first full-year profit, a feat 18 years in the making. The electric carmaker, which was founded in 2003, said it earned $721 million in 2020, in contrast to a loss of $862 million in 2019, even though the pandemic was a drag on sales and production in the United States.2 days ago.

    That all being said, I love Tesla. I'd choose one over any sports car or sedan in the 100k (give or take a few $$) price range.
     
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    At some point in time the batteries are going to act more like capacitors and be able to store actual electricity, not convert electricity back and forth to/from chemical energy. Nearly instant charge/discharge, negligible degradation over time. I don't know how or when, but that's the way I see it going.
     
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    Agreed. A super capacitor will be the (theoretical) answer.
    Or... they could’ve let the real Tesla have done his thing and just broadcast electricity back in the day... but that’s another story for another time.
     
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    Yeah, that could be a game changer as long as the vehicle is affordable and my home electrical service was up to the task (I'm not convinced it is since it was installed in 1960 and has the bare minimum required). I could definitely see replacing my car, when the time comes, with an electric version. "When the time comes" is key since I am putting very little miles on and I keep vehicles for at least 150,000-200,000 miles. I may be WFH until retirement, so that time may not happen for a long time.

    One thing an electric car would solve at the present time is my having to just drive aimlessly around to keep the battery charged and lubricants lubricating. Not that I mind getting out of the house once a week, but I really hate wasting the gas.