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Stove Decision; feedback welcomed

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Kimberly, Mar 20, 2015.

  1. papadave

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    Some of it is ship to home free. WooHoo.
     
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    check www.amfmenergy.com andy usually has some pretty good pricing there especially on
    scratch and dent" units he buys from us
     
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    Yep, for a little step up in price, one of the Drolet stoves would be a good choice.
    Kimberly, where in the house will the stove be installed? I'd try to keep it close to the roof peak, if at all possible, although this isn't an absolute.
    Maybe you could do a through the wall and up the outside install.
    Mike, I didn't realize the new Madison Smartstove was out (I don't see it on your website). Could be an option for the OP.
     
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    yep! we released it last year, she's doing fairly well sales wise though they are a little more expensive than the 13
     
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    If I don't heat the bedrooms, that should help cut down on the size needed. I am probably going to need to pay to have it shipped to home anyway.
     
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    Welcome to the forum Kimberly.

    You have some experience with wood burning and that is good. However, please understand that today's stoves burn much differently than the stoves of old. We really found that out when we bought our Woodstock Fireview. We are no longer uncomfortable in our home during winter as we keep our home around 80 degrees all winter and even then we burn only about half the amount of wood we used to burn.

    I've never been fond of the US Stoves but I guess some are good. I would think the Englander would be a good choice for you and don't give up on the sale prices. Also, never, never feel bad by asking the store for a discount. Most will give 10% just for the asking but with some items they can go much more. One case in point is when we bought a generator. We happened to go into a store as they were putting out the new models. After talking, we found there were still 2 models from the previous year. We saved $300.

    And for sure, I would concentrate first on the wood supply!!!! This cannot be stressed enough as it will pay great dividends. For more information on wood and burning, look here: http://firewoodhoardersclub.com/forums/resources/primer-on-woodburning-by-backwoods-savage.6/ You can view it on the screen or even download a pdf file. Be sure to read it.

    With a good stove in that home you should be able to heat the entire home, including the bathroom and bedrooms. In a double wide, sometimes it can get tricky heating the whole things but we will be passing along to you some very simple and easy fixes for circulating that heat and it is no doubt not what you are thinking.

    Good luck to you.
     
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    depends on where its ordered from. i see you are in south central VA how far from Lynchburg?
     
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    Kimberly, I fear you might be thinking you can get a really small stove and get by. The very first thing that people learn with a small stove (or a small firebox in the stove) is that it is like a little baby. It has to be fed often. During those long January nights, that is not a good thing. I would highly advise to not get anything less than 2 cu ft firebox but better would be 2.5 cu. ft. Remember, you can burn small fires in a big firebox but you can never burn a large fire in a small firebox.
     
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    When we brought the house we had them to separate two windows on the outside wall in the lounge/livingroom area in the big room. When we set up the house, Mum was going to have a masonry chimney built; however, the cost of that is prohibitive now. So my plans is to use the prefab stainless steel chimney kits, through the outside wall (I could go up but then that is cutting a hole in the roof and I would rather not have the pipe up to the ceiling on the inside). So the plan; once I learn more, is to build the hearth and install it on the outside wall, the only place that is suitable due to the floorplan.
     
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    Martinsville; I am actually sitting on the NC border. I may look at the Englander 30 then. I don't own a truck so it may just be as well to pay to ship to home; I would have to beg someone to haul it for me, or rent a trunk. I plan on using wood off the lot, I know how to operate a saw safely; use to help me Dad who sold firewood; he would do the cutting and I would split and load the truck.
     
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    ok kool, down by the paper clip (Martinsville speedway) been there a couple times for the Nascar races. couple hours at most from here in Madison Hgts. where we build Englander stoves
     
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    Yes, that is the source of the TimberRidge stove I listed.
     
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    kimberly, there may be others out there that could explain this better, but I would not go through the peak on a doublewide, as you probably know they are built in 2 halves and put together the structure is not the same also depending on how they built frame the edge of house where steel beam is is definitely strongest. so there are some good reason to put on side since you want it there anyway. would make a difference if you are on slab or basement or just skirted. not trying to sound judgmental I have seen 400k houses up here that get meta cross framing for strength on corners and then they cut them to put window in and when you walk on roof you can rock the house. in short make sure your stove and hearth don't exceed your weight per square rating which should be listed somewhere
     
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    Yes, I understand about construction and have already thought that I may need to add a new load point where I want to install the heater; these things are not light. Also, the outside wall where I want to install it is a load bearing wall and I think there is a stud in the way. That means opening up that area and installing a header on jack studs to carry that point load to either side so I can install the flue.
     
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    With the insulation you have, and in your climate, I think you'd probably be fine with a mid-sized stove.
    Menards has the WoodPro (I think), or Drolet. Like HDR said, they're having a sale.
    You can get a through the wall kit, then everything outside will need to be Class A, and braced properly and with CTCs in mind.
    Your experience with firewood will come in handy, but as Dennis said, the newer stoves don't like the wood that might work in an older airtight stove.
    You'll be very frustrated if you try to cut a wet tree in August, then try to burn it in October.
    No way to move the stove a few inches to miss the stud?
     
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    I have not measured; just eye-guesing. My intent is to centre the hearth/stove between the two windows; mainly just for aesthetics reasons.
     
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    good thinking, my daughter is 10 and I am trying to train her to think and understand building and mechanics. you knowledge is great. I know builders that look at ya funny when you mention point loads:picard:
     
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    Gotcha. In my world, aesthetics take a back seat to practicality.
    YMMV.
    I tried to center my new hearth (in 2010) between two windows. I got close. I know it's off by about .5-.75", but no one else does. I think.:thumbs:
     
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    The NC30 is about 450 lbs., which is kinda like 2 good sized people standing in the same spot.
     
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    I grew up helping Dad with all sorts of things. I am glad to hear that you are teaching your daughter about constructions and mechanics. In our household, there was sharing of work, no matter what it was. I grew up helping Dad work on our cars; that is why I can overhaul a transaxle if I need to. I recently fixed the upper coolant leak on a 98 Buick LeSabre that a mechanic failed to fix; that involved taking the upper intake plenum and the lower intake manifold off the car. The only difference between men and women when it comes to doing mechanics or construction is strength.

    Mmm, I need to figure out how to put smileys in my posts. Oh, like this :doh: