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  1. Mag Craft

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    That is quite the history you have in the tree falling business. With the trees you listed sounds like some pretty big trees.
     
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    Biggest stump diameter was a western red cedar @Tolstoy Bay iirc 12'4" x 9'8" . 3120 Husky , 42" 3 rivet tip Oregon 75 Dura Pro CKX
    Biggest volume was a Sitka Spruce @Polk Inlet 16,480 board feet Scribner. 3120 Husky , 42" Oregon 3 rivet tip Oregon 75 Dura Pro CKX.
    Oldest standing was a Yellow Cedar snag stob out of Coffman Cove. I measured 96" across the stump , perpendicular to the face . Several inches of sap wood had rotted so I couldn't count that. I counted over 1,200 years and there was a 2' hole in the heart.
    I had to use my binocs turned upside down as a magnifying glass to see some of the rings. I fell that one with my Madsen modified 044 Pro Teck filter ,with a 34" Sugi Hara and Oregon 75 CJ . If it wasn't for the hole in the heart I wouldn't have been able to get it off the stump. I had been bushlin since early February that year and it was the end of October. I was getting tired and bored. I fell it just before quitting time so I could get it on that day's scale. Brought my binos the next morning to count rings.
    One of the first wide trees I fell was when I was still thinning trees. I was on break in Ketchikan. The property my church owned was being logged by the pastor and some parishioners. A bunch of timber fallers, ex Fallers and tower loggers. But they weren't doing much for a while.
    I borrowed an 045 Super with 36" bar. 404 full skip from the man I went to work settin chokers the next year. All those super experienced and Master Fallers and loggers thot I was gonna get killed or smash the saw.
    That red cedar was really messed up I had to fall it in 3 sections. Left , right and down the hill. It was iirc 11'7" by around 8' on the stump. It was on that property that I learned to climb. I had got a copy of Lies,Logs and Loggers by Finley Hayes. So I had study material . None of the guys would teach me. So I had to learn without them.
    I didn't even have a wire core rope. Just some crab pot line. Didn't know how to tie a cat's paw . But God kept me safe. Anyway.
    I've fell some good size timber.
     
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    Wow. That is something. Most impressive that is for sure. Thanks for the info.
    I think the biggest tree I have fallen so far has been around 36 inches and was a dead standing spruce. I used a Poulan 475 with a 36" bar. It was a bit of a rush. I never counted the growth rings so I do not know how old they were. I have cut some lodge pole pine which are not known for getting very big that were over 130 years old. I made a table from some that.

    As far as climbing with gafs I learned to do that in the military on telephone poles and have not done that since I got out in 1973.
     
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    Mag Craft Were you in the signal corp and did some of your training at Fort Monmouth, NJ?
     
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    I was in the Air Force form 69 to 73 and did communications work. I was young but got to see some really neat things. Training Sheppard Air Force base in Texas. About 8 months.
     
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    I got nothing to add here except a lot of respect for you guy's experience & balls. Some men are wired by God to do things, others to simply watch.:salute:
     
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    I was Army and went to a crypto school at Ft.Monmouth. At the time it was the headquarters of the Army Signal Corp. I was there from 68 to 71.
     
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    A 475 PP. That was a Really bar setting saw. It was the first pro saw in the 75 cc class that I know of . Before the 046 Stihl came out.
    First one I ever saw was Greg Brewer's , we were cutting at Shoal Cove and crew boating every day from Saxman ( Ketchikan )
    Cutting for Jim Leslie. I think he had a 32" on it and was running full comp 3/8s . It was juiced up real good. I think Ace Morgan in Coos Bay did the modification , but maybe Greg did it. At the time I was running Ace's modified 394 Huskys.
    Ralph Howard got one from Ace also , a 475 Poulan Pro. We were cutting out of Coffman Cove for Jess Hull. It was Hot .
    Ace did not modify mufflers and Ralph wanted it to get LOUD. So instead of waiting till quitting time and taking it back to camp so he could work on it with proper tools.
    He took his 6 lb Dayton fallin ax, that was dull , and chopped a hole into the front of the muffler. First day , with an expensive, BRAND NEW saw . He didn't even have a gallon of gas run through it yet.
    My word :faint:
    :bug:
    He was quite an orangatang
    But, somehow the saw survived having an ax taken to it's muffler .
     
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    The Poulan 475 I have I got about 10 years. I took it completely apart and rebuilt it. New piston rings bearings and seals. The only mod I did to it was the muffler. Opened it a lot and of course I still run the spark arrestor because I cut on national forest land.





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    How many cc?
     
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    It is 77cc. It has always had strong compression since the rebuild and feels good in the cut.
     
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    They are a really good saw.
    I had a 2083 Jonsred that I busheled with for a few months. It Was Not as hot a saw as the 475 PP. But weighed the same. I opened up the muffler which helped a little. It definitely could have benefited from a engine modification. I mainly got it because it was something different and it was lighter than the 394s I was running at the time.
    Eventually I got it hung up buckin the rootwad off a 6 1/2' red cedar . It had slabbed and was on a slope. Somehow it grabbed the bar and pulled really hard pulled the double dogs into the log and stump and broke the maincase where the bar studs were. That was the end of that .
     
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    I actually have 4 of the Poulan 505's and one Poulan 475 but I also have the Jonsered 2083 and 2077 which is the same saw.
    They are closed port transfers but are duel port and not quad.

    I did take one of my 505's and put a Stihl MS660 piston in it and then finger ported the saw along with other mods. I use it for milling because it is such a strong runner.

    There was a time when you find these saws for a pretty good price but not any more.
     
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    Wow, someone else that knows what a 2083 Jred is . Cool .
    I've never heard of the 505.
     
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    The Poulan 505 looks just like the 475 but is the same as a Jonsered 2083 which are 82.5cc

    Poulan pro made a series of saws that all look alike but were of different CC cylinders and Pistons.
    They were starting at the lowest CC. Poulan 415,445,475,505. The 415 and 445 were quad closed port cylinders. I have them all except for the 415.

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    I don't know much about the porting. Whatever the issue was with the 2083, it really could have benefited from having something better. The saw was nice and light. Had good handle bars and the dogs were ok. I liked a lot of things about it. Which is why I ran it for so long. I ran a hundred gallons of saw gas thru it . It did ok. It had about the same power as a stock 372 Husky.
    It's uniqueness was the biggest reason I ran it. It wasn't orange or orange and white :thumbs:
    But, it died a real saws death. So that's ok.
    I know I opened up the muffler some on it . Which helped it a little. I think I even took the head gasket off and used rtv. That gave it a little more. But it wouldn't keep up with a 181 Husky or an 064 Stihl. But it was lighter than either of those.
     
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    That tooth got hammered, but not too bad. 10 or 12 licks with the file should fix it up.
    I can tell I will need new glasses. IMG_20211122_110915863.jpg
     
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    Not a good pic . But.
    For the first time I've chisel filed in year's . It came out ok for having a somewhat full 3 corner file and converting X Cut Husqvarna chain. It will cut. And it was fun. Getting back to my roots.
    No, it won't win any competition. But, it will CUT IMG_20211122_124357616.jpg
     
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    Full comp , 28" bar IMG_20211122_124549629.jpg
     
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    This is that biggest red cedar .
    I thot it would turn into a rag when I fell it. But it ended up being sound as a nut.
    That's why the conventional face.
    That's my 3120 Husky with a 42" bar on it.
    The orange spot in the background is one of my 394 Huskys. It has a 36" Oregon Shiny bar on it .
    Both had Oregon 75 CKX chisel ground chain on them
     
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