Some people really seem to have it in for some of you guys :(

Actually it's probably the best thread I have read on this site !

 

Taking all things literally on here... wooooooooooooooo boy...

 

Cool, and I have been around a while so most here know I have burnt wood a long time and plan on doing so for a while.
I did not notice till now that you are a new member so easy to understand your reaction.
Welcome to the site, a lot of good people here with a ton of experience.

 

What will they think of next

 

Agreed.

I will add:

I think for air quality there is little worse than trash burners who heap their junk in a pile, throw a little fuel on it to get it started and let it smolder all day long. Here in Lancaster county PA there is plenty of that and if anyone wants to clean up the air that's a better place to start.

For woodburning, the engineer in me goes directly to the most practical and measurable effect on burning wood cleanly - moisture content. Publish it (say 25%) and make it part of the law that the fine for violating includes the purchase of a moisture meter.

One thing does come to mind - at what point does someone with a functional furnace or stove need to update to cleaner burning technology? If you buy now, the EPA might get drastic in 5 years and then might need to buy again. Give me a tax break for updating my equipment and I'll think quite a bit differently about the upgrade costs.

David

 

That's just so fundamentally important but somehow everyone think's it's a non-issue. Politics aside, every energy source has an environmental impact. Even solar panels need to manufactured, and the energy and resources that go into making a solar panel are far from carbon-neutral. Some of the 'best' energy sources are produced where pollution controls hardly exist - so buying green for your home here is soiling another country and adding at the global level. I know natural gas looks great on paper, but getting it to your gas line is nowhere near as clean.

If you live in the city, I sort of get it - the populations are so dense that you need to keep the emissions artificially low. (To which I argue, move your dumb butt out of the city and stop having kids!)

The world is not a politically correct place. We pollute to live, no matter what we think we do. There are so many people, that we destroy natural resources just to exist. Whether or not we choose to think critically about our lifestyles across the world, have children at a rate that grows the population further, the world will continue to change and degrade until we figure it out. That will be a hard lesson.

 

Somehow I don't think that argument would convince many people. And people in rural areas have kids too.

 

Well, I'd strongly suggest not reading my posts then.
There's a few of us (read this as: an awful lot of us) that are ever so slightly sarcastic, and just like to have some fun while here. Never purposely at someone else's expense.
Hang around for awhile, we're all pretty friendly and easy going.
If you need something, or need an answer, you're in the right place. Everyone here is super helpful.

 

This is a pretty big subject, but my overall point is if the global population continues to grow, all of our problems will continue getting worse. On the whole people are having too many kids for this earth to support. Socially awkward to discuss, but global resources are what they are.

 

Actually I was referring to old sparky Not you. But now I understand how sparkys comments are made so we are good now.

 

Sorry for thinking it was you.

 

I'll hold my tongue on this because chasing this rabbit could derail the thread (again) quickly.

 

Valid point for sure. In a literal sense, I guess all of us who have more than 2 kids are contributing to that growth. My point is that you will see this everywhere, in cities and in rural areas. And if you think our population growth is bad, check out Africa and Asia. The pollution from these areas is what the next generation will have to worry about. Ever seen those pictures of Beijing when the smog is really bad? Anything my wood stove puts out is a drop in the ocean compared to that.

OK - now I've probably REALLY derailed this one!

 

There it is again and I totally agree with that statement but yet "they" are worried about us taking money out of their pocket.
Any money saved on your heating bill will likely be spent else where so "they" really dont lose any thing.
The over production of oil has them in a pickle though.

 

In an effort to offer education and an olive branch of mutual respect I pushed the issue one last time with my bad burner co-worker. I said I will not bring it up again or even now. Here is a FHC business card, please give the site a honest chance and be open. I will drop it now and forever...They at least took the card and I hope they visit us.

 

After doing some more research on the subject I am out of these types of threads, very unhappy with the information I have found.
Do your own research and keep an open mind.

 

What info did you find?

 

I really dont want to post it as some will just be pizzsed at me and think its BS any way.