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Solo 665 vs Mastermind MS 362C-M

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  1. Cut4fun

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    Aaron I know a guy that has a couple 675. He out cut the stock 385 pretty bad in testing with it.
     
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    That's very interesting. Stock, a 385XP needs some work to really run right (a healthy 288XP will outcut one by quite a bit). They're not weaklings however. A 75-77ish cc saw that can outcut one is a strong saw indeed.

    These Solos sound like they're very strong saws (stronger even than the Dolmar/Makita versions). I've ran a few Dolkitas. The power is impressive, but I still can't warm up to the 'feel' (or even the look) of that chassis however.
     
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    Think the 65 cc version is right with a 372. I'll find out about Thursday.
     
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    The Solo 665 on paper has 1/2 HP more than the Dolkita of the same size (6400-6401/etc). Where the Dolkita's use a 64 cc open port cylinder, the Solo's cylinder is a 65 cc Closed quad port with 1.5 mm longer stroke :)

    The bigger jugs, may be closer to the same in performance, because they are all closed port. But the smaller jug of the 665 has the edge in performance over the Dolly's.


    On another note.....

    I've caught some flack for posting that video. Stating the ported saw should have blown the Solo away... But if the 675 can beat a 385xp?? That's about the same..? No? The Stihl is 59 cc's and a saw that is 65 cc's beat it. And the 675 is 75 cc and the Husq is an 80 cc (don't know the exact cc's), and the Solo beats it, and the Solo is the smaller saw? So that makes the Husq junk? Or the Solo a good runner?

    Either way, I am extremely happy with the Stihl. This wasn't to put down the Stihl. Heck, the numbers even shocked me. I could have put a junk chain on the Solo and made it run 10 seconds and put the Stihl on a pedestal. But where would that get me?
     
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    84.x for the 385. I wouldn't doubt the 665 cuts right with the 372.
     
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    Well Dex 'if ifs, ands and buts were candy and nuts, we would have big butts'. Whomever was giving you flack for posting the truth, they have not gotten the picture.

    There are a lot of people who think that a ported saw will always out shoot a M1A1. Some saws benefit from a change in their design, others just have a better design to start with and yet others don't benefit at all. When they see things like your comparison, they get all hinky and defensive because what they believe to be the truth has been proven to be incorrect right in front of their own eyes. So all they can do is throw rocks at you because they have no other defense for their position. Brand loyalty or faith in a certain technology or practice is one thing but when it blinds you from observing the obvious, that is a problem

    When Makita made a stink to Solo that they did not want Solo bringing saws into the US that competed with Makita/Dolmar, Solo who designed the Dolkitas just said 'OK' and went about designing a saw the Makita could not compete with and said 'so there'.

    It is a very bad practice to mess with the guys who design your products especially if those folks are another distinct company because it will always jump up and bite you in the azz.

    OK' rant over, now those same folks can take a few pot shots at me.
     
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    Yeah the longer stroke was a one up from Solo to Dolmar.
     
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    I think that solo video shows what dogs the new latest greatest strato mt/at saws are in comparison. Something those of us stuck in the dark ages of saws have suspected for a while. Thanks for posting.
     
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    KRL I think Dexs saw did benefit from the woods port just not enough to beat the solo. I know you specifically were not talking about that just wanted to throw that out there for others.
     
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    Well said MikeFromMaine +1.
     
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    I am positive that it did benefit and I am also sure that if it didn't Randy would have never sent it back until it did!
     
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    And again I know what your saying. ...sometimes the saw designers get it right and squeeze everything out of it.
     
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    As far as 'dark ages' goes a lot of folks have never run an 051, 088, 298 or 2101 all saws made when the EPA wasn't in the picture, so they have no experience by which to judge. Sort of like kids today that cannot tell time without looking at their cellphone, let alone an analog clock!
     
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    Still looking for a good pre epa stihl 64cc or better for a steal
     
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    I'm surprized the folks who didn't like Dexter posting the results didn't also attack Randy for not doing a better job. Because a ported saw 'SHOULD' in their OPINION have outrun the 665!
     
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    I wonder what saws would be like with modern tech if they were designed for power/weight instead of emissions.

    Would be fun to see someone put mt on a 036.
     
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    I believe that was the underlying statement.

    But I don't feel that way. I am gassing both saws up as we speak right now. I am doing Round 2 testing. Going to "recalibrate" the Stihl and run them again. It's still gonna be 18" and 20" bars. I seem to have lost my Husq to Stihl adapter from Mike (Homelite410)??

    I do not expect different results. But, I want to give it another go.

    His work speaks for itself. My 460 was an animal with off the loop chain at the GTG. Also, both of the 441's (MasterMech and mine) were very strong runners. Both were right behind my 460 by 2 seconds.
    MasterMech has a video of his 441 with a 32" (Scotty Overkill running it) taking down a huge Sugar Maple at the GTG.

    Alright. Enough ranting. . I'm going to run some saws :dex:
     
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    The ported 036 Pro I sold, just went up for sale from the guy who bought it.. I wanted it back so bad. But don't have the need.. And I am also saving for a certain 372xpw!!

    An 036 with Mtronic would be on my shortlist :thumbs:
     
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    I stated early in this thread and I will state it again......

    The Solo shows what engineers can do when there hand are not tied!

    I'm sure the saw builders would tell everyone the engineers know what they are doing but they have restrictions
     
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    Well... The results are in....

    Waiting for upload. . ;)
     
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