Smoke. It's bad. We need to Care.

Not sure how they came up with residential electrical heat having high emissions unless they are counting where its produced and then how is it generated?
The high particulate is what they are going by (for the most part) and even the new stoves are much higher then some of the other options.
It's good to know the facts so we are not blowing smoke or having it blown up our butt.

 

The "new stoves" section is probably pretty vague. I'm sure there are some stoves that come in well under that spec.

 

well enlighten me then please, i thought you were telling me that an old tech stove would burn clean. it depends on what you consider "clean" lack of smoke is obviously cleaner than "with smoke" but an old tech stove even if there is no visible smoke is still going to be pushing far and away more PM into the atmosphere than an epa unit will by an enormous amount. now multiply the difference by a few million and there is the major gain. think "macro"

 

I said if you were hung up on the numbers you might as well heat with gas.
You can burn a new stove dirty also, I am sure a lot of the complaints about wood are due to bad burning practices.
My old stove smokes very little when burnt right, I am sure if you had a neighbor complaining about wood smoke he is not going up on your chimney and testing for particulates.

 

well, im sure that there are a lot of newer cars on the road which smoke out the tailpipe due to theuir not taking care of the engine but that doesnt mean we should go back to burning leaded fuel does it?

 

Never said that Mike nor did I imply it!
Your still missing my point.

 

OK so what happens when millions of acres burn in forest fires every year? How about all the coal plants producing electrical power? I think wood burners are a miniscule part of the smoke that is in the air but that is just my opinion. At least wood burning is natural. If your neighbor is choking you out with smoke, go over there and ask him not to do it anymore, it's that simple. I don't live in a neighborhood anymore and I sure do not miss it.

 

MOST electric plants in this country (60% according to 60 minutes a few weeks ago) are COAL burning plants.

 

I think the majority of the issues I am seeing are geared more towards health concerns then environmental. The biggest issue appears to be particulate matter. On my way to a job today I passed an Amish farm with an OWB . He had successfully smoked out all of his neighbors. The smoke was crossing the road in front of me. I reached over and pushed the recirculation button in my truck and thanked God I wasn't outside enduring it.

 

You assume the clear TOXIC chemicals that come out of everyone else's oil burner chimneys does not get breathed in? I'm not referring to the environment, I'm referring to the toxic chemicals that you an I are forced to breath in from oil burners!

People seem to forget that there is just as much, if not more volume of exhaust that comes out of an oil burner, and it is ALL toxic. Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it won't kill you. When ws the last time you saw carbon monoxide?

 

If Larry Hagman were still alive, he'd damm sure put an end to all this wood burning crap.

 

Not sure I follow you

 

Oh I agree with you there completely. Unfortunately, this is not really an oil burning forum. You can make anything bad.

 

Larry Hagman was pretty much the beginning of the end for the tobacco industry.
From what I remember, he was the first to have a major campaign against smoking.

 

Just look at the charts to see how the different fuels match up against each other, I believe oil is cleaner then the new wood stoves.
I love burning wood but I am not going to ignore the facts.

 

The charts from the link JA600L provided are quite good for wood burning considering that supposedly all types of woodburners.

 

Yep I looked at that and commented before, they are going by the particulates (right wrong or otherwise).

 

For those that haven't looked.

 

I don't really think that participate matter hurts the environment. I could be wrong, but I believe particulate matter is more of a concern for human health. It can get into the deepest parts of your lungs and cause scarring. Obviously it creates a haze, but eventually I think it falls.