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Second Saw Recomendation

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by Skier76, Feb 13, 2023.

  1. Screwloose

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    Of all the saws Echo is the easiest to get parts for online. I have never had any problems with my 7 echo saws and the quality is top notch.
    To be fair I have not had any problems with my 8 Stihl saws either.
     
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  2. FarmerJ

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    I personally like the customer service aspect of getting parts and repairs as well as the initial purchase locally.

    is there delays some times? Yop. But more times than not, my mechanics have pulled stuff out of the bottom of the toolbox, more times than not, to get me back up faster.
     
  3. buzz-saw

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    From what I have read about what you are cutting and your situation personally I would consider either the 261 or 550xp husky.
    Good choice with the 261 , as far as parts like RCBS mentioned you won't need them anytime soon.
    Good fuel and oil mix ; keep it sharp, occasional air filter cleaning and it will be good to go for a while.
     
  4. Lennyzx11

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    Lehman can correct or clarify me but I had explored the idea of converting my 250 from .325 chain to a 3/8” sprocket/clutch 18” bar to match with the 261 & 362. I have too many chains in .325 to do that though.

    Maybe it was the bar mounting was what derailed that idea?
    It’s been a while since I thought about it.
    Not to derail a thread…

    EDIT I think the reason for not exploring it further was the consensus from people who know said that <50cc saw really does not have enough oomphs to pull 3/8” in hardwood making it hard on the saw.
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  5. Lehman

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    The 250 takes a 3005 mount and the 261 is a 3003 you could do .325 on both saws but the drive counters are different. Also need to watch out for the newer saws with a light 04 bar and fancy paint job because your old chains won’t fit. The new light 04 is a .050 gauge instead of .063 like the older ms250 had. The new bar is slightly narrower with thinner rails to lighten it up a little and the .050 chain is a bit thinner kerf for faster cuts. 15-20% they claim and from what I hear it’s probably true, the new chains have a 23 on the front of the box.
     
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  6. Lehman

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    E5238603-0AF0-4EE2-B469-F114A1CCD923.png If the new bar on whatever saw you choose looks like this it will be the thin kerf .050 chain, you could buy this bar for your 250 in a 3005 mount and use the new chain on your 250, may even find this enough of an upgrade in speed to stay with the 250 for now. But I’m all for you buying at least another if not 2-4 more saws.
     
  7. Barcroftb

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    The new .325 RSP chain is very good. So far I like the bar on my 261 too fwiw.
     
  8. Skier76

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    My head in spinning. LOL! What a good problem to have.

    All really good points. In the past 14 years, my MS250 has flooded twice, needed a few air filters and one spark plug. Chains, bars….have all been my doing; pinching or dulling. The saw has been very reliable.

    That being said, I’m pretty handy. I don’t fancy doing a top end job, but I have done it on one of our air cooled snowmobiles. So the know how is somewhat there.

    I now have to see what some of these are going for used on Marketplace.

    Oh! Random question on these saws. Can the carbs be adjusted with regular tools? I know my MS250 can. I do have an Echo Leafblower of the same vintage that I had to source a special tool for.
     
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  9. JB Sawman

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    The new stihls with autotune cannot be adjusted neither can the 550 husky the echo can be adjusted most saws need special tools to adjust you can buy a whole set of them online for@ 20.00
     
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    RCBS glad you have had good luck with your saws the older ones were easy these new autotune ones are a little different I am a husky dealer and if I could charge for the time I have spent on the phone after regular hours helping people with their saws problems I would have much more billable time like a Saw Hotline :D most times I get them up and running but these new saws can be frustrating when the electronics go haywire if you do need anything I am open saturday until 3:00 :rofl: :lol: might be a drive for you !! I am only open part time in the evenings during the week and I hear that all the time that the dealers are not open when you need them when I go full time next year here I am still staying open late always glad to help JB
     
  11. MasterMech

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    Phew - Lots to unpack here. This depends on what your plan is for the 250. If you want to bring it back to the flatlands and use it as an occasional landscape saw, (excellent idea BTW), then I'd prob replace it with an MS261CM and just use the 261 for those "big" jobs. 16" bar on the 261 is the same length as the 18" on your MS250 BTW. The M-Tronic version of the 261 is well suited to varied climate conditions in the mountains too. Super simple to adjust, start saw, pull trigger, cut wood. Saw adjusts for the altitude/temperature/humidity/fuel by itself.

    If you fancy getting yourself a bigger saw to make short work of the few bigger trees you come across, and don't mind carting the 250 back and forth, then I'd probably recommend something like the MS400. A bit spendy for occasional use but it's hard to put a price on a tool that you truly enjoy using. If you find yourself shopping around the mid-range lineup, be careful. A saw like the MS311 weighs the same as a 391, but lacks the power. Same story with the MS271 vs 291.
     
  12. Lehman

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    Yep I know why Stihl does it for selling more sizes but the 311 would be the last saw I’d buy in that range
     
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    The Mtronic Stihls require no carb adjustment. Great feature as ive tried to do this on other "carb" saws and suck at it. :emb:
     
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    Only 14" wood? You need a 50cc hotrod. A ported 350/346 would be perfect. They're light and easy to handle with around 5hp when ported.
    I use mine for 90%+ of my cutting.
     
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  15. Lehman

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    Or a ported ms 261 since your thinking about another stihl
     
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    I'd argue that the extra "sizes" are completely unnecessary and generate confusion and buyer's remorse at the time of purchase. I'd much rather see a single small/medium/large saw in each quality tier at the consumer level. With the pro saws, each model seems to have a specialty. There are use cases for an MS241 vs MS261 (and vice versa), MS400i vs MS462, etc. But I really struggle to find a reason for recommending the MS271/MS311 over the MS291/MS391. The 10% price difference seems trivial on a single $5-700 purchase that will last for decades. I would think that reducing the part's sku's (by not having two top-ends for a single saw chassis) would reduce costs enough that a more competitive price could be set, while keeping overall margins up. That's a win-win for both Stihl and the customer.
     
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    Unfortunately they need to play that comparison game with husky and echo so they need all the different top ends on same chassis. If someone asks me about the 271 or 311 I usually push them towards the 291/391 but some people will insist on saving the 50-70$. Where my wife works they sell a ton of ms271’s and husky 450 ranchers. But for homeowners saws I’d say the ms 250 is at or near the top every year.
     
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    It really depends on the staff at the dealerships too. It's quite a difference between having an experienced sales staff qualifying the customers needs vs just setting saws on the shelf with a 3x5 index card full of specs. We found that we could pretty much move whatever models we wanted to, within reason. It was just a matter of how they were presented to the customer. This was in the day of the MS290/310/390, and of course there was a healthy price difference between the MS390 and the 290. The other item working against the MS390 in that case was somebody looking for a 60cc+ saw, or something that was competent with a 24" bar, would really appreciate the jump up into the MS361, which made the MS390 feel rather Fisher-Price by comparison. Being that it could run a 20" bar, and was priced attractively, of course we sold a bunch more 290s (to happy customers!) than any of the other 1127s.
     
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    I know one small tree service that used 290’s and 390’s for his big saws and a 192t for climbing. Made lots of money with plastic saws
     
  20. Barcroftb

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    When I ran a ROW crew we had a half dozen 025’s for main ground crew saws. Sure we had bigger nicer saws but not everyone had access to those. The 025/250 was cheap and easy to replace should they meet a bad end. Which they frequently did. They are surprisingly robust for what they are.
     
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