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Discussion in 'Pellet Stoves, Pellet Fireplaces, Pellet Furnaces' started by Tullytown, Dec 18, 2019.

  1. CleanFire

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    Don't have FHW here Tullytown , just FHA : and the furnace cycles every 45 mins. to 1.5 hrs. w/ pellet stove use, depending on outside temp.

    Same min. temp. threshold for the basement/crawlspace as stuckinthemuck : 35F , or over, is ok.

    5F or below temps, we will also keep the water trickling in the sink overnight to prevent (well) pipe freeze.
     
  2. Tullytown

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    thanks.. i will check into the thermguard..
     
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  3. Blithering Idiot

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    I have the same concern with frozen pipes and looked into the thermoguard, but realized I didn't need it: that zone of my oil HW heat is on a programmable thermostat. I set up the thermostat at a relatively low temperature (as a backup to the pellet stove), and then twice a day it goes to 80 degrees for just 15 minutes. So the oil heat will kick on for a total of 30 minutes a day to keep some warmth in the pipes. In mild weather, I can turn off the program and it'll "Hold" the low set-back temperature and the oil does not run at all.
     
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  4. bogieb

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    The pipes in the garage are insulated. They have boxes built around them, filled with insulation and sheet rocked. The pipes in the basement are open to the air since I have the P61a down there keeping them warm. Plus, if I ever had to go back to using the boiler, they would help heat the basement some.
     
  5. ttdberg

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    We have programmable thermostats that provide the same functionality, however we need the water to circulate much more frequently than the thermostat programming will allow. Initially I did not have the Thermguard circulating the water frequently enough. I don't remember the specific details, but after comparing notes with bogieb, we tweaked the interval and duration values so the water moves more often, however less duration each time - that solved the problem. I think the overall daily run time was very close, if not a wash in the end. It was something like instead of every 3 hours for 6 mins, we switched it to every 2 hours for 4 mins, for example.
     
  6. Tullytown

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    Understand what you are saying but I would think once every four hours [ with a programable thermostat) is more than enough to keep any pipes from freezing unless I'm wrong here? You are firing up every 2 hours correct?
     
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  7. don2222

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    Hello
    Would industrial heavy duty heat tape tied to a T-Stat that only comes on when the area is below a certain value. I found 19 degrees in my neighbors garage was 6 degrees outside on it’s own circuit breaker worked out quite nicely for my 2 neighbors They have been using it for years now with o adjustments ever needed! ????
     
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  8. ttdberg

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    Just checked it. It's configured to call for water circulation every 12 15-min intervals (3 hours) for 3 minutes duration each time. I think when I initially installed it, I had it configured for 4 hours at 5 minutes duration each time. That was not sufficient for my situation, the pipes still froze.
     
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  9. bogieb

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    Just thought I would share, that even before my boiler was fixed last week, I had the Thermgaurd set up for a couple of days that it was 0* at night and the water still circulated even thought it wasn't hot. Should remember that this summer and see if I can use that as a type of air conditioning.
     
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  10. Blithering Idiot

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    Understood... each situation is a bit different. In my case, 6 minutes would work but 4 wouldn't: it's 5 1/2 minutes before the return pipe feels warm. That zone is under-floor radiant heat for a large room.
     
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  11. Dr.Faustus

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    Thats potentially a good idea but be on the lookout for condensation dripping from wherever the cold water is being circulated through.
     
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  12. Woodyone

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    I have a simpler situation with a garage under the house with plumbing in the ceiling. My oil furnace in in the garage also but I don’t use it.
    Heat with a wood stove in the other part of the cellar. Temps in the wood heated section average over 80 degrees.
    I cut a 6 inch round hole thru the wall an inserted a piece of 6 inch round duct with an in-line fan, called a duct air booster. An attic fan thermostat controls the fan to turn on at 80 degrees or so. It’s plugged in to a timer, runs 30 minutes, off for 60 minutes. Keeps my garage now at just over 50 degrees.
     
  13. imacman

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    Not everyone has a wood stove in their basement, and that won't help with frozen pipes in upstairs areas. Thermguard is the answer to most situations.
     
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