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Reverse Mortgage, *Please read before considering*!

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  1. Redneck

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    This is driving me crazy. I can't imagine how bad this is for you.
    I talked with my company lawyer today.
    His recommendation is to find the closest wells fargo office to you and then find out that branches manager and asst managers names.
    Then send all the information they have been requesting with a letter explaining what has happened sofar.
    Also he said to video each document and the process of sealing them in the envelope. Send a copy to the bank. specifically to the manager and asst manager by name with a certified receipt. This will give you proof that you had all the proper paperwork to them during your allotted time to pay off the reverse mortgage. If it goes into forclosure and then to court.
     
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    We called the local Wells Fargo here about 20 miles away, They wouldn't talk or even discuss it with us because they said they "don't" deal with reverse mortgages!!! o_O And nobody here has any connections to that loan!:headbang:
     
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    Yes, They said it's "NOT" a state issue because Wells Fargo is a "National" bank, Not a state bank! Screwed there!:fart:
     
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    So, we recieved a fax yesterday "FINALLY" after two months and guess what...... It was wrong!!! Ok, here we go again. $11,251 in fees??? :eek: Also, figure this, The original amount was for just over of $89,000. My in-laws only recieved a check book with $78,000, there is still $29,955 still in the loan, "Unused" "BUT" They now want us to pay $93,456 in full to recieve ownership before forclosure. You are all smart folks here,.... Do you see something wrong with this picture??? :eek:
     
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    :headbang:

    Dang Dave.
    :mad:
     
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    Yup!!! And I "KNOW" you're a smart man, do the math!
     
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    I'm going to start posting the honest numbers out so everyone can see them, They have been already within a few bucks! But there numbers are completely insane. I'm going to make an appointment with one of our "legal officers" on base who happens to specialize in realestate law.
     
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    I'm hoping "everyone" who reads this tells a loved one! and it goes to many other sites while talking about it. This has got to be one of the most "horrible" things my wife and I have gone through. Death was nothing compared to this!!! When I see my wife cry nearly every day because of this it makes me soooooooo Dam Mad!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang:
     
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    Oh, And I forgot to mention this!!!! You all will love this one.... We have a Bank on the burner, were "pre approved" for $100,000 on a signature, The bank has called them, Wells Fargo 4 times now with no response and even once, a woman told the bank that they cannot deal with another bank, the funds have to be "ONLY" wired by us, "cashiers check or certified funds" to the payoff center in Fort Mill, South Carolina "ONLY"!!!! :headbang: I can't even walk into a Wells Fargo and give them the cash, even if I had it! What the F""K kind of business practice is that?
     
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    So, here's the latest as of 1200 EST. My wife has been on the phone now since 0800. Now that we have the "payoff" a women at the "payoff center" is now speaking with my wife. Get this!... My father in-law "did not" use $29.995 of the reverse mortgage but Wells Fargo is saying that that money is incorporated into the loan and now that he has passed, that money was contractual and is part of the loan "even" if it wasn't used! So what they are saying is: They keep the $29.995 and we still have to pay the full loan amount "with full interest" on $89.000 and our pay off being as of today, $93,456.71. If "he" took out every dime he would owe $93.456.71, and if we wanted the house after he passed, it would be at the "assess value" of the home... ?:confused: I just don't get this!!! It is on page 32, section 19 clause 46 of the "whothehell" made those rule book :hair: So they said... We are planning on sitting with a real estate lawyer, but now with everything I'm reading we may be SCREWED!
    My wife just filed a complaint with the FDIC, we were directed to start there because they will look into their business practices concerning reverse mortgages. Right now, "I" have a gut feeling my wife is going to loose her parents home.
    I want to be clear here, I/we understand there are fees and interest involved here and don't mind paying the "reasonable" amount, but when they opt to make over $70,000 in such a short time the loan was out is ridiculous. So much for the commercials huh!
     
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    I am not an expert, not even close. But I think part of the contract and calculations for a reverse mortgage includes the anticipated lifespan of the person. If he lives longer, then he wins (maybe). If he lives less long, he loses. Kind of a mixed-up annuity like thing.

    If so, they probably are correct in the legal sense of the word. Morally is a different issue.

    Again, not an expert. Thanks for the warnings to us all.
     
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    You pretty much sumed it up! I knew basically "nothing" for the most part about how they worked! I'm gonna be a "FREAKING" expert by the time this is done. :picard:
     
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    Sorry you had to go to school of hard knocks dave.. Your state guy is a lazy #@^ also regardless oh how bank is organised na (national) or not they have to follow rules of your state to operate in it! Very bad representation there!
     
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    Found this WeldrDave

    For complaints about deceptive practices in connection with reverse mortgage loans in your state, contact:

    Your state Attorney General’s office(www.naag.org(link is external)) or

    Your state bank regulatory agency (Conference of State Bank Supervisors at www.csbs.org(link is external) — click on State Banking Commissioners).
     
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    I actually wrote this yesterday but apparently never posted it. And it was still here this morning. Don't know how that works.

    Try this one. It's a national agency

    Consumer Financial Protection Bureau

    Or one of the ones listed here.

    FFIEC's Consumer Help Center
     
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    Thank you, were trying just about everything.
     
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    Tomorrow, Friday 1000 am real estate lawyer appointment! This guy was a corporate real estate lawyer for a "big" banking firm, now has own practice and is a heavy weight JAG military legal attorney. I'll have a full answer tomorrow one way or another, I hope... :confused::picard:
     
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    I know Jack about reverse mortgages! But I feel compelled to give my 2cents about the industry as I just bought and sold a home 1yr ago. Before my rant want to apologize, I do not mean to offend anyone in the business. However the Mortgage and Real Estate industry is a bunch of fake phony frauds, all of em, only out for one thing to make a buck. The entire process if so flawed it's not even funny. My mortgage just jumped up $100 bucks this Jan because they didn't properly calculate my taxes on my property at settlement. How the FUDGE do you mess that up? That mortgage payment is probably the single most important aspect of buying a home. Mortgage company points at the title company the title company points at the mortgage company which then blames the twp!

    Let's go to the selling your house process, o you got a buyer made a strong offer all looks good, let's got to settlement O wait we ran a background check and saw they have a bad credit history and financial issues they cannot afford the home. HOW THE FUDGE WERE THEY ALLOWED TO PUT A BID IN THEN? Isn't that stuff all run up front to ensure 100% they are qualified to put a bid in on a home? Apparently not!!!!! They get some BS piece of paper that says they can make a bid without doing deep credit check.

    Let's go with the buy/sell with a contingency. I accept your offer and your good faith $$ but if another offer comes along you have 48hrs to drop the contingency or am allow to take the other offer. Wait a second you accepted my offer knowing I had to sell my house, I should have X amount of time (NOT 48hrs) to sell my house before your allowed to drop my offer. I have never seen such a flawed and BS industry in my life. Again no offense to anyone in the industry and my apologies for venting......!