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Pellet Stove is 2 to 3 times as energy efficient as a whole house baseboard

Discussion in 'Pellet Stoves, Pellet Fireplaces, Pellet Furnaces' started by Orson_Yancey, Jan 1, 2023.

  1. imacman

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    Wrong. The heat loss/load is calculated with all factors included.....insulation included. DUH
     
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    Here's a pic of the grass/wood ash from those tests we did back then:

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    Must be a he helluva lot warmer in NC tham up here is all I can say.
     
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    I guess I gooffed a lil! We are paying less per BTU with pellets! But my point was its not the stove effiency saving the end costs!

    You(like me) are heating more square footage(the basement) and also keeping it warmer. Luckily I am paying far less per BTU with pellets than smoil.

    750 gallons of oil would have been close to $4500 for the season keeping the house at 68º and a 65ºF(on a good day). Oil price did drop off to $4.40 ish. So I'm not saving as much now but still cheaper with pellet heat!! Oil at todays price would about $3300.00 :loco: :crazy:

    6 tons of pellets around $1850 with pellets keeping the house at 72ºF and the basement at 68ºF. This price will go up as I will likely add a bit of good chit to the end tally. Per ton price of those are like $400 to $500 depending.

    If I bought all good chit? Yeah that would balance things just a bit! About $3000 for a tank full of supa dupa premo pellets!
     
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    He used to be a new yorker, Now he's a snow bird! :D
     
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    B didn't you just a bit in tightening up your "shack" ? I did even though this "shack" was a 2007 build.
     
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    He was in NY when they were playing with lots o crap and I do mean what I wrote.
     
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    Actually, "snow birds" leave when it gets cold, and return when it gets warmer.......I stay here all year.:thumbs:
     
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    I'm kind of unpleasantly amazed about the cost of propane up there versus here. Our per gallon propane cist has remained pretty stagnant at $1,99 per gallon all winter. Guess it's a regional thing but not something I can wrap my mind around anyway.
     
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    Where's my Juncos and Grosbeaks for those of you north of here. Bird seed is lasting longer these day a lot caught the flu.
     
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    We got several junco's. I like them lil buggers. Hardly ever go on the feeder. Just pick up the scraps them freeloads leave behind!

    We had several grosbeaks during the summer. Not many now.

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    I did replace the insulation (with R13) and windows on most of the the main floor. With 2x4 construction, no house wrap and 1/3 of the main floor over the unheated garage - although better, that really doesn't do much in the larger scheme of things. 2x2 sound tile ceilings are still just a big air exchange basically although it does have some 1960's insulation up there (some R13 & some R19). Since the access in convoluted, tiny, under the shallow part of a shallow roof, and butted up to the huge 1960's air exchanger there's basically no way to do anything with that.

    I also insulated the foundation walls and put a raised floor over the concrete floor. But since the basement isn't directly heated without a pellet stove, that doesn't figure in.

    Did all that help? Sure. But since I never even heated with propane in the deep of winter (I got first pellet stove at beginning of January), that 250-300 gallons of propane was only what I used in November and December - the milder winter months. Plus, the FHW pipes run thru the unconditiond garage, that most winters gets down in the 20's, so there is a bunch of loss right there.
     
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    If I wasn't worried about water, I'd love to do that too. My stone walls leak air badly(and water). I went around and stuffed the leaks I could see/feel. Need a flir to find the cold spots better!! Plus the stone suks up the heat. No head room to do the floor without a jack hammer and then diggin more out.

    We don't have any experiance without the exterior walls being insulated. As soon as we found out they had none. We put the hammer to the drywall and stuffed r15 and a rediant barrier. I'm sure we would have used far more oil the first winter. Attic walls just got some R15 plus the radiant barrier. Floor insulation order was canceled by Lowes. I guess their having issues getting stonewool? Order was pushed out until April. So I called and canceled and will use the monthy payments I already paid towards more pellets.

    Honestly, I think any cold air you can keep out has to have some sort of effect. No matter where or what it is it will eventually get pulled towards the heat source. I found that they once had a cloths drier on the back porch. The flapper was stuck open a bit, Leaking in cold air. Pulled it out and plugged the hole. That area feels much warmer even though it isn't directly heated.
     
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    I built 2 layer interior storms heck with the 6" walls why not, I also like JT installed a higher airflow convection fan, and with foam panels insulted the interior walls of a heated garage under. damm concrete heat sink.
     
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    Put some soil contact framing up just away from the stone wall use 4'x8' foam panels glued(liquid nails) to the for mentioned framing.Put ruxal behind the foam.
     
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    Felt heat is not equal to temperature. There is liquid evaporation in the equation, sh*t, I wish TJ was here.
     
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    I've seen similar. I'm not sure I can get it past my local code inspector. First, They want an expensive system for the water containment. Plus then they call it a finished basement and you can guess what that does.
     
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    Nope, not finished talk to your local code enforcement folks. Just be certain to paint the foam with a latex based fire proofed paint.
     
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    I'm might have to sneak it in as they want to then call my basement finished and then raise the taxes. Even if its just the walls. I'll ask again as we have a new inspector and new Officials when I pull the permits to remove the inground oil tank.
     
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    My basement is damp and water comes up from the floor (not like a flood, but there are wet areas when the water level is high. I installed rigid foam directly onto the walls (can't do that with stone most likely though), then covered with reflectix (okay, part of the basement still doesn't have the reflectix because too much stuff in the way. The raised floor is to keep the damp down on the concrete. Since the floor is uneven, I used a DMX product and then laid plywood on top. I haven't "finished" the floor either, although parts have linoleum on it, other parts just have foam tiles that I got before the DMX.