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Discussion in 'Pellet Stoves, Pellet Fireplaces, Pellet Furnaces' started by DexterDay, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. SmokeyTheBear

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    I had a BB2000 installed yesterday, used it this morning tomorrow I fail pt. Oh well hypotension gone.
     
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    New years rez is get off my lazy butt! Less slackin and get back to getting stuff done!

    Starting a bit early with an electrical project. Too cold for the portable power station out in the garage once the temps went to single digits, So I'm going to add it to the house main and use it as a pass through for a bit of backup power. Mainly some lighting so no need to fumble with flashlights trying to see. Kitchen, outside and basement lighting at the top of the list. This will lead to a bigger power station or maybe a DIY solar gen to take advantage of the extra solar being produced. I'll then try to add more to it like the pellet stove and furnace as to not needing the gas genny during the overnight hours.

    Also looking into a low temp inverter for the garage. As most of these battery power stations don't seem to be made for low temps. I see some of the solar hybrid inverters are rated for sub zero temps. Will also need to insulate the batteries or look into the heated LifePO4's rated for low temps below freezing.

    I did order a cheap Solar charger for now to add to the garage. I already have a cheap 2000 watt inverter and a 12 volt battery but couldn't use it much without the solar charger to keep the battery topped off.
     
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    I've heard some of the solar gens have a heating element for low temps. I don't know how expensive they are.

    You could also think of a low watt heated blanket that is DC for the Jackery.

    I set up 2 of my larger battery stations as backups for my pellet stoves when I was on vacation last week. I also set up one of the smaller ones for the desktop computer/router/wifi (only pulls about 25w when sleeping/idle and 38w when working). Gave me huge peace of mind that if there was a power outage, they would be covered for some time.
     
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    I'm looking into a larger unit and there is only a couple that go below zero. I haven't seen the dc blanket, But will look as that would help.

    I thought I blew up the Pecron as it was stone cold dead and wouldn't respond until it warmed up. Took a few hours and luckily its working.

    I spent the better part of the day getting the circuits wired to the sub panel. So far I have the fridge,freezer, Kitchen lights and basement lights. Averaging about 250 to 300 watts which will give me about 4+ hours of back up. I've got to wire in a new circuit for the sump pump and thats probably all I can add to this power station.

    Now to figure out how to get some of the solar generated from the panels on the garage run into the shack.
     
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    I tossed this together a few weeks ago. There's a YT chanel where a guy test a bunch of lithium batteries. I think he's done some with built-in heaters. Are some inverters cranky in the cold?

    I don't think I'll do any solar stuff, can't remember the last time the sun was out.

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    Mine was, It would run output current but stopped charger below 32F. So it just ran the battery down to zero. From the ones I've seen even with heat(only heats up the batteries) they allow lower temp discharge, But cut off the charger right around freezing. Still looking though.

    I do see some of the DIY all in one inverters that both discharge and recharge at -13ºF. Likely the route I'll go or do as bb said"use a heated blanket" once the temps drop below freezing. Or build a insulated box to retain heat? But worried it might over heat the inverter.
     
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    The batteries I got have low and high temp cutoff. Zero degrees discharge and 32f charging. Hopefully if I need to use them it's not below zero or I'll have other problems. Haven't tried the inverter in cold stuff yet, hopefully it works fine.
     
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    Happy New Year pellet pigs.I wish all good health and warmth in the coming polar vortex.o_O:shiver::shiver::shiver::makeitrain":banana::banana::banana:
     
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    Happy New Year
     
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    LifPo4 batteries are cranky in the cold. Older battery technology is fine with cold (or at least, "finer" down to much lower temps). As much as people hype LifPo4 batteries, they tend to gloss over that little nugget. There are advantages and disadvantages to each type of battery, you just need to be aware so you can be prepared.

    Heated blankets have become fairly popular for car travel, I see them for as little as $22 when I google it. Or, you could try seedling mats - I didn't see any that were DC at first glance, but there have to be some.

    AFAIK, you won't "kill" a battery by using in too low of temp - it will just stop doing whatever it is doing to protect itself. Once it warms up, it will be good to go. Same thing with high heat, it will shut off until cool enough. The manual should tell you operating temps

    This is from one of my EF products
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    And this is from my Bluetti
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    If you have read this far, HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR!
     
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    I haven't heard about any that didn't wake up. I'm just surprised the power stations allow drain, But stop the charging at a slightly warmer temp. The Pecron allowed the battery to drain to zero before the BMS shut down the battery. Even once the power station warmed up it took it a good long while to start excepting a charge. Even after a full reset. Scared me for a bit as I thought I done killed it.

    I'll check out those blanket links!! :)

    I'm going to use the other inverter once I get the solar charger set up. I'll likely use some SLA batteries for now. Once it warms up I'll add some LifePo4's. SLA in the cold, LifePo4 in the warmer season.
     
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    Happy New Year bye whoever.

    Guess who pulled a steady 120/80 Monday afternoon yeah no amplodipne it is gone.
     
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    Thats great news Mr Bear!!

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    I've had lipo batteries for a few years now. I listed my batteries cutoff above. The temperature cutoff is for protection. As the battery chemistry doesn't allow outside a certain temp range without damage.

    It's important to get batteries that actually have these temp cutoff limits to not damage them. I'm not that concerned with the temperature for this setup. If I had these in a rv I would pay extra and get heated ones.

    I've had a few high dollar AGM deep cycle batteries over the years, they don't come close to lipo in every way possible.
     
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    I don't know about the Pecron app, but my apps have a place that I can limit how far the battery will drain. I have them set at 10%. Every once in a while I do remove the limit, take them down to zero then immediately charge back up to 100% to calibrate the BMS.
     
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    NICE!
     
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