I agree. They don’t give much data. I have been comparing blast chamber volumes and trying to figure put ballpark pressures for different suppressors. There doesn’t seem to be any real data from anyone on the subject. They all brag about weight, but most of them have enough thickness to have fancy designs on the outside that add (in some cases) several ounces. They think it has to look tactical to sell, but I think the majority of people are more worried about weight and performance.
Balance, shape, and how they feel in the hand can mean more than actual weight. Load them up with 20 or 30 round mag and an optic and the weight goes up fast. I’d rather carry my deer rifle than an ar. It balances better and carries better.
The market will soon be forced to make a decision in regards to form/function. I'm seeing little aluminum 22 cans for less than $150 and rifle calibers under $400. They went for the zoomie adapter deal for a while but then realized that it needed to be standardized anyways. They all acheive roughly the same end result with some doing better than others. Multi caliber and servicing have indeed become the primary motivator for many purchasers once they get past the gimmicks. I'm a big fan of direct thread options. Again the zoomie adapters get frustrating needing to clock muzzle devices for ratchet mount/quick disconnect yadda. This one work with that one if you use this adapter and hub mount...lol I have yet to find myself needing a tactical suppressor swap in the field. I had last year predicted a huge swell after the tax fell off and then less expensive options emerging, which they are starting to do. I hope the trend continues and they become more normalized.
I ask out of curosity and state the following just as info and not to start arguing... I bought an AR back when OB was coming into office, just cause he was gonna ban everything you know. A custom build from a shop in Richmond. Didn't know what I was doing when I ordered it. It's OK. Over the years I've bought pieces and parts (mostly complete lowers / uppers and put together. I'm not into installing all the little pieces/ total build outs). They were a bit better. I hate that cheese grater "sproing" noise / feeling in the buffer tube..... Fast forward to the last month or two. The wife and I have been on a bit of a tear, with the crazy D stuff going on, laws coming. We've splueged and bought a few higher end items. The difference is beyond night and day. Weight, handling, shooting..... I guess it's like any item...pistol, bolt action, truck etc etc....you can use one from different ends of the spectrum and have totally different experiences....
I agree. There is no real reason for tactical mounts. They just add weight/length. People just want a can that works and doesn’t cost a lot. It’s just a muffler. Everyone should have immediate and cheap access to them.
Love it. I have one Hux and 2@ B &T flow throughs. I have the pre Hux a OSS it’s on a AR-10 and have shot it on a 15. Get it!
I run flow through’s on bolt guns as well as semi. They do just fine. Used a B&T Flow-through on a 300 WM on a spring bear this morning. He didn’t mind. Make sure you get the Hub mount on the back and you can buy an adapter for anything. To include direct thread mount. I also started getting 30 cals and running them on all smaller cals. With the hubs I can go between compact and full size cans on whatever I am using.
I can see that cans are gonna be my next . Its been an expensive 2-3 months... Took a SOLGW armorers class this weekend. Enjoyed it very much.
It’s a big rabbit hole. I am shooting rats tonight with my suppressed 22lr. They are very skittish now and will not come out for quite some time after a shot is fired. I can hear the bullet hiss through the air and then a loud WHACK when it hits. I have been working on making a suppressor for my 22-250, but it is taking a while. I shot the neighbor’s 22-250 with a nomad 30 (not sure which generation) and it was stupid quiet. Absolutely no pressure on my ears at all. Just a loud crack down range. It was perfection. I would absolutely suggest a nomad 30 as a first can after shooting it. The design pulls a TON of energy out of the gasses. It heats up quickly because of it, but it also cools quickly. Two shots had it hot enough that I didn’t want to touch it. Heat is not bad, it means the suppressor is soaking up energy that would have been sound. I’d better go see if another rat is in the chicken feeder….
I'm struggling to not buy a Hi Point hush 22 for $229. Appears finish may match what's on the CZ I recently got. The black ones are $199 but I already have a few black ones. It'd be a dedicated unit for aesthetics.
Cheapest 22 can I can locate at the moment goes for just $149 from Davidson Defense. Couple others under $200.
I just read in the news that wacko that shot the health care exec in NYC had a rather advance, homemade suppressor. I think he made it himself.
he needed a “booster” or “neilson device”that allows the barrel to move a bit and decouple from the suppressor while the action moves.
I have 2 silencerco sparrows, use them on 22lr, 17hmr & 5.7. They were $300 I really like them. I prefer to use CCI Quiets with them on the 22lr. I would like to try out a higher priced can just to see what the difference really is, materials, cleaning & performance.
What do you need from it? Got a dollar amount you'd like to come in at? Some units are more pleasing to the ear (quieter) but most any of them are going to knock it down to 118db or less which is sufficient. Semi auto use? Those need cleaned more often which makes servicability a high priority. Monocore vs Baffle stack....eh...I got no science to back it but prefer *sheilded baffle stack design. (sheilded means they won't 'braze' themselves to the cylinder) Customer service is something to consider in the generic vs name brand debate. I would think that Dead Air CS would be higher than random company selling $150 unit...I could be completely wrong...not yet needed anything from manufacturers. My current inventory sees 3 of 5 still available in today's market. 22Sparrow, Defcan 22 V1, AB Little Bird. Sparrow is a tank. Defcan was a 'budget' purchase @$225, works fine. AB Little Bird innovation sold me (and it's thin so works well on pistols without raised irons). Couldn't tell you which is quietest, all sound like a pellet gun with subsonics.
They're solid units. A little fat for pistol use. Pretty smart of them to incorporate the two monocore shield plates but it gained weight with that. Was also my first along side a SWR Spectere 2 which I would highly reccommend except they are no longer made. I been trying to find a used one to add to bullpen.
I have only shot one commercial 22lr can, and it was on a 10/22. It was a sparrow. Not sure how many rounds were through it, if it had been cleaned, etc… The guy had it loaded with supers, so most of the advantage was gone. It was about the same as shooting subs without a can. I have watched a PILE of youtube vids with suppressors and it is VERY hard to tell what they actually sound like from a video. Some devices clip sound levels, equalize sound, ignore certain frequencies, or make them louder. Everyone compares suppressed 22lr to a pellet gun. A pellet gun can be really loud or really quiet. I made my own form 1 22lr suppressor from an old maglite. I made it super light for the size, about 6.5 oz for a 1.5”x 6.5” can. It’s obviously oversized, but it’s WAY quieter than any of my pellet guns. It sounds like a twig breaking and you can hear the bullet hiss through the air. The impact is the loudest part, even when shooting 100 yards. It’s just a “tckssssssWHACK!” If I was going to buy a commercial can, it would probably be the dead air mask. I’m not sure how it compares to my homemade cans, but it’s not hard to make a 22lr quiet. I have one that is made of pvc and a few fender washers, and it is absurdly quiet for what it is. It’s a form 1 as well. Your first can will always impress you, because you are going from loud to quiet. It’s the second one that starts messing with your head, because one will inevitably be quieter than the other and now it’s not just a comparison of loud vs quiet, it’s quiet vs quieter. That’s where things can get expensive real quick.
