Non EPA wood stove prices?

Also Kodiak...not seeing $500 for it though.

 

Always thought those were the coolest looking stoves...sure seems like it would heat well!

 

Found one of them sure I have more somewhere just have to have a look about when time presents itself , one heavy duty stove.

 

I have a 76 Grandpa, an XL and a insert. The Grandpa heats my 1200 sq ft shop. The XL is just sitting in the shop and the insert still needs to be installed in the house. I didn't pay over $200 for any of the Fisher's. And yes I listed the XL on ebay.

 

...hmm...does it burn both equally well? I thought that dual fuel units didn't do a great job at both? The concept is great, but the proof is in the performance.

 

I could care less about EPA stove or not. I had numerous non, but since I purchased the Buck 91 which is an EPA stove or should I say a stove that passes the regulation (I do believe they had this stove on the market prior to regulation). I feel exactly opposite, I wouldn't put in a non EPA if it was given to me.

 

See I'm thinking about pulling out my basement forced air oil furnace and dollying in a papa bear. Something about burning oil just drives me nuts.

I will say though, pre EPA stoves have quite the appetite for wood. I think the advantage though is that you can get away with burning slightly wetter wood even though dryer is better

 

What I like about a Non-EPA stoves is, you can make them air tight with a little stove gasket material (fiberglass rope, gasket material, etc). That can really save on wood, but without breaking the bank. I bought a cheap Vogelzang stove and made it into a pretty good coal burning by fussing with it. But a person can buy a better used stove and do the same thing.

The problem is, no one wants to fuss with them, they would rather buy off the shelf. That is fine, but it costs people a lot of money.

 

I agree. I grew up with Non EPA stoves, they didn't even exist. As some know, my place is small and well insulated, so I have some significant efficiency right there. Here's the thing. I put in a chimney when I built my place for around $1,400 or so and put in a raised hearth for about $100 using a lot of materials I already had on hand (would have to put in a chimney and hearth in for any wood stove anyhow so that is a wash), and I bought a late model Fisher Baby Bear (the best stove ever!!!) for $225, add to that about $125 for high quality stove pipe...SO, for $350 I put in my Non-EPA stove and pipe...there is no way I could have put in a modern EPA stove for that money (new or used). Last year I burned just over 1.5 full cord and Was Warmer than I needed to be most of the time. I have better wood this year and I am stretching out my re-loads of the stove and I know I am already using less wood per week even with this much colder and earlier start to winter here. So yeah, I have a small well insulated place and MAYBE I would burn less wood with an EPA stove...MAYBE...but I would have to lay out a lot more cash up front for that stove and it would take a lot longer to get a pay back/return on my investment. I like that a Fisher is very simple, built like a safe, has no gaskets, meets my needs for heat and cooking, was very affordable, and has a history that I love. In my experience every situation is unique and I believe I have a good quality set up that was affordable for me and more than meets my needs.

Dave, you go through 5 full cord a year I think...that's 3 years of wood for me...then again, I don't live in a high end mansion like you do .

Why did wood stoves make a come back during the oil crisis?...people had a basic need for heat and needed to do it in a more affordable way....gee, that's what I did with my set up.

And unlike last year, you rarely see smoke coming out of my chimney...so, I am going in the right direction.

...now if only I could teach my cat to reload the stove...hmmm

 

Not arguing, as you said at the beginning of your dissertation. I have been around long enough most know I would not want an argument either but I have to comment on this. You speak of facts, proven, science, etc. But it is actually theory. Big differences between creation and evolution. Now to be fair I did notice you said "my view". The over lying point you were making was our wood stoves are not causing hardly any issues to the atmosphere and I wholeheartedly agree.

 

I love my baby bear that I installed in my garage last winter. 24x24 with a sheeted ceiling but zero insulation anywhere except under the concrete. I am able to keep the garage at a very comfortable 60 65 degrees on a cold night but I find I need a great deal of wood to do so. Once I completely finish it and have insulation on the walls and ceiling, I imagine I will be sweating - therefore using much less wood to maintain temp.

But I wouldn't have it any other way. Love the fishers. I'd put one in my living room in place of the buck 74, but then we would miss seeing the fire.....

 

I agree I loved my old airtight that was similar to a Fisher but I do like seeing the fire.

 

I understood you were talking from the standpoint of your friend, I have seen you mention him before. I have good friends that have their doctorate that will tell you the earth is not over 10,000 years old and why the geology you speak of is flawed because of the effects of a global flood. I am respectful of your thoughts as well though. Carry on brother.