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What is a spun turbo?

 

GM plans 10 models with 9-speed transmission by ’17

Who knows exactly? We may never get the full story. Just that they co developed the 10 and 9 SPD trannies.

Whatever the case, it saves r&d $$ for both companies, hopefully passing the savings on to consumers, or at least re appropriating the $ into other projects.

 

Jibberish.

Either that, or boost. But that's a good thing.

 

Lol

 

Bearings "spun" out? Or worn out...dunno, just spitballin here. I kinda always thought that when they quit spinning was the problem!

 

They saved lots of money together.

Companies buy and sell tech that was designed elsewhere all the time.
Companies partnering leads to good things.
Gm has used Bosch (German?yup)since forever, imo their tech enabled VW to cheat on emissions. vw was stuck in the rom chip days of the 80s lol then they used a pcm ordered by gm to cheat..... And now they share pcms with Mercedes that were built using a decades worth of knowledge gained from gm and other companies ordering stuff lol.
That's just one small part from a few companies. It happens with everybody.

That's the thing, people need to put their feelings aside (blind brand loyalty) and realize it's a global market. I dont especially care where it's built as long as I have a product I like or want.(think harbor freight?) Izzuzu Duramax.... My atlas designed motor in the gmt360 TrailBlazer/envoy....one of the best motors ever built. They weigh as much(close) as a new f150 with an old 4 speed I average 20mpgs they should boost it and bring it back with the 10spd and direct injection......

I think ford had more to gain as their transmissions have sucked slightly more in the past decade compared to gm.
Imo They also don't have access to the same global tech despite their recent purchases of it.

According to this article they liscened tech from ZF Featured Article - SAE Mobilus
From what I've read they will have different nuances with pcm control and valve body changes different Tq converters etc. In my limited experience of building tranny's the heart of the unit is the valve body/pcm tune so the two units could drive and feel completely different.

The linked article also notes they worked on the 6spd(transverse not the rear wheel) together and Ford still managed to fubar it. The new(almost same design) co- developed 9 speed replacing it.
I'm sure it will have more power handling and longevity with both users.

 

meant blew a bearing when I said spun turbo. First guy had a '14 or '15 platinum that when he punched it on an on ramp the turbo never slowed back down and kept going and then the electronics went crazy with it and boom dead on the side of the highway and got a ride back to the dealer on a flatbed, somehow his dealer weaseled out of the warranty or he was just out of it too, he didn't argue and ended up getting an edge from the same dealer and getting rid of that truck. The other guy had a ton of electronic demons and his would shoot black smoke and spit and sputter or would be winding up like crazy he had a demo more than his truck it seemed, I think his was a '14 xlt if I remember right, neither have those trucks anymore.

I don't really care what people drive, it is up to them, like I said above, I'm just not a big fan of Fords right now, they look like Tonka truck. My dad was a die hard Ford guy. I've had Dodges and on my 3rd Silverado. I don't have a brand preference, but I do get a pretty good discount on GM's through a few connections I have with retirees, I buy what I like the looks of and what I want to drive for a few years. To me the GMC's look the nicest but I don't have a dealer that stocks any decent build ups, it is either a standard truck or a Denali and i want something just under a denali or LTZ build up. I found my current truck outside of Pittsburgh on a dealer search, drove and looked at it and then had it transferred to my buddy. His dealership is about 30 mins from me and any warranty and oil changes, he has sent a driver to swap trucks with me and will bring my truck back and swap vehicles again the next day. He knows I need a truck for my work and I am always on the road, so being stuck at a dealership for a couple hours gets old to have a computer update or something.

 

It sounds like to me he sucked a piece of a GM or a rusty Ram insude the ecoboost.

 

I am pretty much loving the aluminum bed story on the Ford F150. I own both Alcoa and Ford stock and the story helps make both stocks worth more than they might be without that story. As already noted, GM is trying to catch up this year with an aluminum bed after dissing it in their commercials last year. OK GM guys, swallow hard.

 

Ford stock has been tanking. You wanna brag about automotive stocks you should have bought tesla.


Ford had to use aluminum and a 6 cly to get the mpgs a heavier gm with an 8cyl can attain.
That's the point. All I think is It's like an adult laughing at a child with disabilities when I hear that comment. Ford couldn't meet regs so they used aluminum.
I dont know anybody who gets near the EPA rating either, neither have I read of it happening.
With tighter EPA regs, companies will do what they need to do in order to produce.

Ford is yet again changing the Ecoboost. Third time the charm?

 

I must agree but I care more about actual performance than the present sweetheart stock. Tesla has zero actual value but it has been run up by many optimists. I would much rather own something that has a real world underlying value. I know it sometimes costs me in the short term but some day Tesla needs to actually sell a real car that you can drive. Until they can show a profit doing that, I will avoid them. Have you ever heard of the dot com bubble? That is how Tesla strikes me.

 

your right! great car ... horrible stock.. they have to sell 300k vehicles a year at current margins to reach profitability... but last time I checked they were worth more than gm or ford that's Dumb!

 

Boomstick
Tesla is not really a car company. They are a battery company that makes cars to show off their battery technology.

Ford trucks have been heavier than the competition for years. Ford went with aluminum and now they are marginally lighter than other competitors. What is this 3rd ecoboost? Ford also has the smallest V8 in a fullsize truck putting out as much or more power than the competition. The 5.0 V8 gets as good mileage as the competition and it fires on all 8 cylinders all the time unlike Ram and Chevy firing on 4. Those things sound like crap in 4 cylinder mode. Ford is so far ahead in engine technology in trucks right now. Ram and Chevy wish they were Ford and constantly copy Ford.

 

Very true, its an expensive short term stock.

You literally made me lol.
Engine technology? Like what? Be precise please.

Ford does not have the smallest engine putting out the most power. Read up Slappy.

 

I'm not going to get into it, but anyone that thinks that Ford doesn't have by far the most advanced motors in trucks really is missing it. Be it by stubbornness, or brand loyalty, it's just plain ignorance.

 

I've been busy with crap lately, but here's the info on the new 2018 f150 gas motors.

http://truckyeah.jalopnik.com/the-2018-ford-f-150-gets-a-new-engine-and-more-horsepow-1796143724

Base 3.3 v6 replaces the base 3.5. direct and port FI 290 hp, 265 tq
2.7 ecoboost v6, port and direct FI, 325 hp, 400 tq ( gains 25 tq and comes in lower rpm than previous 2.7 EB)
5.0 coyote v8 395 hp, 400 tq, port and direct FI
Existing 3.5 Ecoboost new in 2017, 375 hp 370 tq, port and direct FI.

The 3.3 users the 6spd tranny, all others get the 10 SPD. That 17 3.5 ecoboost with 10 SPD, it's very responsive. It's also able to put along in 7th gear at 35 mph. I didn't get to freeway speed, but I did get 75 briefly.

With the right gears, that revised 5.0 and 10 SPD might get 22-24 mpg freeway. Otherwise, that 2.7 ecoboost again sounds like a great motor.

 

Here's GM's half ton engine options.

 

Base v6 comparison

Ford 3.3 290hp, 265 tq 10 sp
GM 4.3 ( wow the boat anchor still exists) 285 hp, 305 tq 4 spd??? GM's site is the worst, since I see no options the standard 4 speed I think it's still the only option
RAM 3.6 305hp, 269 tq 8spd

2.7 ecoboost 325 hp, 400 tq 10 SPD
GM, no real comparison. No smaller v8 than the 5.3
RAM closest would be the ecodiesel at 240 hp and 420 tq. 8 spd while they are similar in output, but the Ford 150 will have a v6 diesel soon to really compare

Mid size v8
Ford 5.0 v8 395 hp, 400tq 10 SPD
Gm 5.3 355 hp, 383 tq 6 SPD. ( Possibly an 8 spd if you select proper packages, again GM's site is horrible)

Highest power option

Ford 3.5 ecoboost 375 hp, 470 tq, 10 SPD
GM 6.2 420 HP, 460 tq 8 spd only?? Makes sense. ( Btw these are not cheap, lowest MSRP ~42k)
Ram 5.7 395hp, 410 tq 8 spd
Oh yeah, the king of all this is the 3.5HO ecoboost in the ford raptor 450ho, 510tq 10 spd.( Not cheap either 50k but they are loaded with stuff you can't even get on other brands)


GM's are DI only, big pita to have to clean the intakes. That's why ford went all port AND DI for 18.


Yes these are '17 specs against 18's, but the basic configurations won't change.