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MS441 MS440 MS460 - High Output Oiler Install

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by MasterMech, Mar 6, 2014.

  1. Boog

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    You know, I always thought that when I ran mine with the 28" bar I occasionally used on it, didn't seem like it was getting enough. I usually use it with a 20 or 25". Guess I'll have to keep that 460 now for good to run the 28". :whistle:
     
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    Than you must not have owned an 026 yet with the fixed oiler, those gems are gushers! They're still oiling for hours after you're done cutting.
     
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    The HO oiler I put on a guys 460 poured oil off a 28" as did another 460 I had with the HO oiler. He's using a 36" bar on his. With this ported 046 I'm going through about 1/2 tank of oil to a tank of mix.
     
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    Bought I was thinking of an 026 myself.
     
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    My 460 with the oiler cranked up uses close to a tank of oil to a tank of fuel. My brother's 460R with the heavy duty oil cranked up uses a tank of oil to a tank of fuel, maybe just a little more.

    Something I was thinking of though... I run an 8 or 9 pin sprocket on my saw and I think my brother does as well. I wonder if that has some to do with it? Chain running more revs on same amount of oil that would be applied with a smaller sprocket.
     
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    Hmmm, I've got a used 460 that I'm assuming is "stock" and it uses about 3/4 tank oil to 1 of mix maxed out, usually running a 25". I've been assuming that's normal "good working " condition.
     
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    That sounds more normal. Milling today I got 2 cuts before I had to refuel. The oil was at least half full then. It was about 11' long and 12" poplar. Maybe a total of 7-10 minutes of run time. I need to time it and see how long it takes to go through a tank milling.
     
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    Great point Nate, I've been running my "3/4 oil to a tank of gas" saw with an 8 pin recently (with the 25") and thought things seemed a little "hotter/dryer" on the bar. I was thinking I was seeing a difference from 7 to 8 pin and was wondering if I was getting enough.
     
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    I hadn't thought about the difference in the sprocket. I run 7 or an 8 occasionally when I'm not milling.
     
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    I want to get an alaskan mill setup to play with. Why. Just so I can play with my saws more. Not luke I can half make anything with what I will saw!!! Maybe a rough Dawn wood nook?? I dont know?
     
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    I only run an 18" bar normally on my 460 and 660 so the extra cutting speed is nice.

     
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  12. mdavlee

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    I usually have a 28" on the 46.
     
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    Y'all folks must be cutting some small wood to only be running 16" bars and 18" bars on your 460/660 saws!!
     
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    Does your saw have a 3/4 wrap handle and the extended clutch cover? If it does, then you most likely have the HO oiler already. There are other things that slow down the oiler on any saw, like sawdust plugging the pickup and building up in the line.

    If you were to remove the paint from a brand new Stihl bar, you would see the metal is blued all along the rails right from the factory. It's from the induction hardening process they use. You might just be wearing the paint off normally.

    The heat on the other hand, while it's normal for the bar to get hot enough to not touch bare handed, you shouldn't get to the point of smoking the oil/paint off it, even with the regular oil pump and an 8 pin sprocket.

    The oil you use plays a big role in the heat generated as well. Motor oil is particularly weak in that regard, especially used motor oil. The thinner "winter" grade bar oils help quite a bit once the temps get under 40F.
     
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    The other day when it was misting rain and I was milling with the 32" bar on the 046 the tip was making steam. I poured some oil on the tip and went back to cutting. Poor mans aux oiler.
     
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    I don't usually mess with any big stuff. Too heavy, too big, and almost always rotten in the middle. Waste of my time and $$.
     
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    I've gotten the bar hot enough that it sizzled spit. It's a regular 460. Normal handle bar and cover, normal pump.

    Point is.... I don't know if its really worth $70 (ouch!) for a "heavy duty" pump that doesn't lube a whole lot better.
     
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    I used Stihl oil for a while, now run whatever is on sale. ATF or hydro oil works well, I'd run that but I have 30 or 40 gals of bar oil to use up first.
     
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    Every one I've used made a big difference in oil output. What brand bar are you running?
     
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    I know mine oils the same on "E" that the old one does maxed out.
     
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