In general, I agree. More exhaust controls add cost for sure and may also reduce performance. However, my wife is super sensitive to diesel exhaust, so... I consider Tier 4 a "Pro" rather than a "Con" overall, regardless of cost and performance. "Happy wife, happy life."
Mike you might also consider what Yanmar has to offer. They have a big assembly plant down in Georgia. I'm not sure what your looking for but they are very well built machines.
if the prices are getting real close, I would defer to Kubota first and JD second, just for the dealer/parts network. Mahindra has been around here a while, but it is hard to beat a Kubota for longevity. I have an old Kubota and an old JD, read 80's models, and both are bullet proof. I think the new JD's are over rated/priced now and I was a die hard JD person, until I got a Kubota.
I agree that you should look at Deere and Kubota again if the price is getting close. The dealer support and parts availability (for attachments too) will be a major player should you have minor or major (hopefully not) issues under warranty and 10,20+ years down the road. ironpony I agree that Deere seems to have backed off on the fit and finish of many of their sub-60hp machines. The 3x20 and 4x20 machines were incredibly well-polished (especially cab tractors) units but also very expensive machines to buy. They attempted to compete with the Kioti and Mahindra machines by offering a few "economy" machines but I thought they really lost a lot of their appeal due to being stripped of the features and power that usually attracts a buyer to Deere equipment. Economy just isn't something Deere does well in this segment and it's tough to sell a Deere because "it's cheap". I wish they would focus on leading the pack in technology and leave the economy tractors to the other brands that do it well. And they need to go back to painting the power train components black. All green/yellow with no black just looks "off" on these new machines.
in 1990 I had a 1937 JD B, I was able to walk in to the dealer and buy almost every part I ever needed. I did a complete rebuild of that tractor. Also I think most people do not mind paying more if there is value added. I would never consider anything but green and yellow but when they sold out to the big box stores, it told me it was about the money. Kinda like HD selling all their bling in every store, no thanks.
I am on tractor by net forum and the people I read with them love them and say there a solid tractor for the money
I love the smell of old school diesel exhaust. Teir3 and 4 just don't seem right. I can be on a logging job and the only hint of diesel smell I smell now is The old over the road trucks they keep rebuilding cause they don't like the new ones and there so expensive
When i bought my mahindra, they were coming out with new versions of the 16 series and 35 series, so i wanted to buy before they were all gone. One dealer gave me a price quote for the tractor that was replacing mine and it was almost $4000 more. Thats one of the reasons why I stayed with mahindra along with good local dealer support and 0% financing. Im also a John Deere fan boy. I own a 1967 jd300 backhoe. Aside from currently needing a new main hydraulic pump, I got almost 2 years use out of it. The old girl still runs and drives, but no hydraulic functions. I also own a jd gt245 riding mower. Bought it used and runs great.
The funny thing about Deere putting those machines in HD/Lowes is that they actually put a great machine on the market in that price segment. They are far and above better mowers than the MTD clones sitting next to them. But many had trouble wrapping their heads around Deere doing mainstream "economy" machines. But they made a chit load of money doing it, put out a decent product, and the basic design of that product is still intact some 13 years later and selling well. Of course they have made many mistakes in the lawn and garden segment as well, mostly related to trying to break into the handheld equipment and ATV markets.
+1 on spare parts availability. I put around 80 hours a year on my Kubota and with that amount of yearly time it will take a LONG time before I wear my tractor out. You can walk into a kubota dealership and get parts for a 30 year old tractor and I'm sure the same goes for Deere. I'm not sure the same will hold true for Mahindra?
Good tractors... I looked hard at Mahindra 5 years ago then bought a Kubota L3800DT. Price was better on the Kubota and I've run them since the early 80s' and never had any real issues.
I looked at Mahindra when I was tractor-shopping, they were decent but the two things that turned me off were the poor fit and finish, and the FEL lift capacity. I did a lot more shopping before I settled on my used TYM, and looking back I probably just should have bought the Mahindra. The dealer support is worth everything.
A few series from Maindra are actually made by TYM. I believe the tractors that Cabelas sells are TYM's. They seem like good tractors too. Another small brand of compact tractor's is LS. They are some of the smaller series New Holland tractors, but sold at a cheaper price. Oh and dont forget Kioti!!!! They stopped making the tractor i was interested in and I couldnt find one locally cuz they dealer support isnt too great.
Yes, the dealer was very open and up front that some tractors are made by Mitubishi in Japan (e.g. 1533) and others are made by TYM in S. Korea (e.g. 2533). However, Mitsubishi did not decide to make a Tier 4 engine, so all the tractors get the new Mahindra mCRD engine (no DPF) from India. It's really is a Global Marketplace anymore.
IMHO an Indian powered tractor would have to be SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper over a Japanese or even Korean powered tractor to be worth considering. I'm sure others will disagree but that is my take on it.
What makes them better than the MTD models, mainly Cub Cadet? Cub Cadet and JD both use Brigss engines (some CC at box stores have Kohlers), tuff torque and Carlilse tires. All of the Cub Cadets have high back seats. You have to buy a JD D125 to get a high back seat. They both have the same hydro pedal arrangement, cruise control, cup holder, gas gauge, a deck wash system, and a storage comportment. The cub cadet has a shorter turning radius. The cheaper JDs only have 2 antiscalp wheel, on the front of the deck. All the Cub Cadets have at least 4 antiscalp wheels, one one each corner. The Deere has a 2 year 120 hour warranty and the Cub Cadet has a 3 year unlimited hour warranty. The cheapest JD is $200 more than the cheapest Cub Cadet , some models are $300 less.