But it's not "fair" to us that "they" planned ahead!!!! Tax them or put them in jail. Sad but true; that's the mentality of most of them MoFo's.
It will be intresting to see if their gas supply gets cut off or not. IIRC they also have been closing alot of nuclear plants.
yeah my first instinct was to unfollow it too. Thought twice about it. It’ll be a source of information once the weather gets cold. You’re right, mostly decent people but many Brits have lost all touch with heating their homes with anything but a thermostat. It’s been generations since they’ve considered it. Lots of people living in all those old houses tearing out walls to find the old coal burning fireplaces that have been hidden for decades, maybe a century? Guys with new electric chainsaws with the chain on backwards wondering why they can’t cut through the railroad tie they found in a ditch. Old furniture coming out of attics. It’s gonna be crazy. I read an article back in June claiming 70% of restaurants are planning on closing for good once the cold weather comes. They’ve been struggling with high energy costs during the summer. They realize there’s no way to heat their establishments during the winter at current prices.
We upgraded to Lorex this summer, 13 cameras including 3 PTZ's (pan, tilt, zoom). Only problem is getting the police to actually put effort in perusing over something small like firewood (you know what I mean). Still nice having eyes on the property.
One person will be amazed we think about protecting our firewood stash while another one trims some trees or bushes and think they can make some money selling the brush, because firewood is worth a lot of money...
Suffice to say that we’re feeling extremely fortunate to have enough firewood for the next couple of winters. Heating oil, gas and electricity are all than double what they were last year. I’m expecting an increase in chimney fires and other related accidents with the way things are going. I’m already seeing lots of posts on UK DIY forums where people are trying to get old chimneys back in use - often with very dangerous results.
The same would happen here under similar circumstances. I think of Boston as a similar city to parts of England. Old houses with old fireplaces walled over. Or just old chimneys. The inhabitants of which have little knowledge of using wood as a heating source. All hell would break loose.
Here's one I came across a few weeks ago. Looks like there's a possibility that we won't escape the mayhem entirely. No Help Coming For New England Governors With Winter Fuel Supply | OilPrice.com
I'd like to ask if Grahamt could put some kind of input. He's in Leeds. He's one who's done his homework for years now. I know we know another fellow but I haven't recalled his tag. He would get wood through a park that took trees down on the regular. Hopefully they're doing alright. I would hope that people have a bit of common sense but it's hard to bring back common sense if it wasn't taught to them. Burning things that shouldn't be burned might happen but it would be helpful if the nearby news or fire marshals would put out advisories about burning materials. Reminds me back when in MASH when Col. Blake dealt with a rash of wood theft as his desk was subject to such dismantling a bit at a time. "Where did you get that wood, Soldier??" "My sister sent it to me, Sir!" *shrugs* Obviously it was part of the desk. Seems like here where we are in the states, we have plenty of wood but it's not advisable to ship it unless kiln dried. The shipping seems like it would bring problems... since wood stoves are also in those demands.
For the last 2 weeks the local fire departments have been doing training at the lions club fire training site. They have a roof with live fire attic trainer where you have to cut into the attic through the roof. Also have a double story building with, "fire place" and chimney fires. I know it's seasonal, but in the last 8 years I don't recall this many departments training this much. It's still in the 70s so maybe warm weather is pushing the training too. I'm guessing they all figure there will be increased fires
One, perhaps the only benefit of government regulations was the EPA regs here in the states. I know some woodburners disagree and you’ll find no one that dislikes government intrusion into the marketplace than I. But our new technology with the need for one piece chimney inserts must have drastically reduced the chimney fires of the old days.
Not seeing much of a difference between current EPA regulations stateside and mandatory Ecodesign Directive standards in the EU.
I see things getting worse here too, not to the extent of Europe and the UK maybe, but so many people will try supplemental heat due to high energy costs with no real idea of what they're doing. While certainly true that we have a huge supply of readily available trees here, dry fuel, correct install and burning practices are foreign to most that have never used wood heat. I can't keep up with new orders now, I can just imagine when it gets really cold. Gonna be an interesting winter for sure.
I know one can still build clay tile and cement block chimneys in my area. I know a lot of the older houses are using stacked stone chimneys. My house has a clay tile and cement block chimney. House and chimney was built in 1978. Chimney is in real good shape given the age use. I'm seriously looking at placing a 6" stainless liner in the chimney just for some added protection and piece of mind. Clay tile can fail without any visible signs from outside. I've seen a lot of chimneys without rain caps ans poor crowns. That extra moisture hiding away in the chimney has to bake out slowly or the steam will crack tile and stone flues. If the chimney has been abandoned in place for years, decades there's a good chance the first hot fire is going to break something. Alot of these new woodburns don't know that. Heck,. There was a shortage of chimney sweeps before this increase of wood burning.
I've helped build a few wood stoves in the past. They were all well built with 1/4" steel plate or thicker. All were modeled off known designs or replacing an old burned out stove. I'd guess many 55 gallon wood stoves are going to be built. That and the use of old cast iron parlor stoves that are not reconditioned or repaired correctly.
wouldn’t surprise me if they have tougher regs than ours. With any government interference there also comes loopholes and noncompliance. I’m just basing my opinion on what I’m seeing on FB. Sure there’s some nice professional installs. I’m also seeing a lot of these tin box things that purportedly have no draft controls. Are they loopholes? I know the Chinese sold some of those here in the states by classifying them as fireplaces they effectively went around our EPA woodstove regs. Not sure if they’re still legally sold here. I have t seen one mention of cats or secondary burn capabilities. Doesn’t mean it’s not there I just haven’t seen it. It doesn’t help that the English don’t speak English LOL. They’re lexicon is different than ours here.
About the loopholes – the Ecodesign 2022 regulations apply to the sale of new stove designs from 2022. Therefore, a few manufactures are getting away with selling older non-compliant models by stating that the regulations don’t apply to existing designs. I don’t see that lasting very long though. A lot of the stoves on sale here are more for an occasional focal point fire rather than serious heating. Nearly all of them have proper pre-heated secondary air - sometimes called tertiary air. Catalyst models are available but quite rare.
haven’t we already? I’m seeing people making these barrel stoves and putting them in their house. Sorry, but I would never.
