In loving memory of Kenis D. Keathley 6/4/81 - 3/27/22 Loving father, husband, brother, friend and firewood hoarder Rest in peace, Dexterday

I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by shik, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. Highbeam

    Highbeam

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2014
    Messages:
    1,763
    Likes Received:
    5,477
    Location:
    Cascade Foothills, wet side of WA
    This one data point, yes, relatively normal for a noncat.

    I don't believe that it is ever normal or advisable to see 1200 on a flue probe meter regardless of how long it's held there even if it is rated to be above 1000 for an hour. Why on earth would you let it get that hot?
     
    moresnow, FatBoy85, wildwest and 2 others like this.
  2. BDF

    BDF

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2014
    Messages:
    2,160
    Likes Received:
    7,531
    Location:
    Virginia
    OK.

    Have a great day! (seriously, not sarcastically)

    Brian

     
  3. Oldhippie

    Oldhippie

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2013
    Messages:
    2,232
    Likes Received:
    6,264
    Location:
    Ashby Ma
    Having extremely high pipe temps tells me it's running wide open, once your fuel is burning strong you should be able to use the draft control to slow down the incoming air. The baffles in the stove should be keeping the heat in the stove, not sending it up the chimney.The directions talk about the EBT Extended Burn Technology system, it's secondary burn baffles that should be catching the exhaust gases and reigniting them and sending them back down into the stove, NOT up the chimney.

    I am guessing that either that baffle system isn't either installed right, or installed at all. You had this installed, could it be the baffle system was left out and just collecting dust in the back of some store or truck someplace?

    Can you see one of these anywhere?
    Capture.JPG
     
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2019
  4. Brad M

    Brad M

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2015
    Messages:
    272
    Likes Received:
    2,311
    Location:
    Pleasant Hope MO
    That's exactly where my mind was going! That should maybe concern you a little!:D
     
  5. Horkn

    Horkn

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2014
    Messages:
    26,985
    Likes Received:
    150,595
    Location:
    SE Wisconsin
    My quadrafire insert had the same type of air outlet for the blower to blow out. I don't get real STT there because it's not really the stove top.
     
    Chaz, FatBoy85, papadave and 2 others like this.
  6. Woody Stover

    Woody Stover

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    1,261
    Likes Received:
    3,039
    Location:
    Southern IN
    My SIL's T5 (not the 2020 LE) doesn't have EBT, where secondary air is metered depending on stove temp. Hers is a mechanical link..adjusting primary air directly adjusts secondary air to the baffle accordingly. I'm curious as to whether shik has the new LE version, with EBT.
    OH, that pic of the baffle is a bit deceptive..In reality, yes the bottom holes shoot flame downward but the front holes shoot straight out and with draft, both flame lines and their heat are drawn upward around the front of the baffle. So it heats the stove top and flue temps also rise. Her stove likes to run, when burn is established and air is cut all the way, between roughly 625 stove, 360 flue and 725 stove, 475 flue. Flue temp is a surface magnet meter at maybe 15". Secondary starts firing at 350 -400 stove.
    shik, what you haven't showed us yet is what the secondary is doing. A pic, or better yet a youtube video, might help us evaluate the burn better..
    20191111_140038.jpg 20191101_190015.jpg
     
    Last edited: Nov 22, 2019
    Chaz, Oldhippie, papadave and 3 others like this.
  7. Kubota

    Kubota

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2019
    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    84
    Location:
    CT
    Hello, New here. Use Hearth.com regularly, but stumbled across this site...so I signed up.

    I have a PE Summit, so almost identical design, mins the EBT. I had the same problem you are having my first year. I can 100% guarantee your wood is dramatically unseasoned. The fact it stalls out after temps are achieved is the number one indicator. Also, your flue temps are so high because the wet wood is off gassing so rapidly and creating a tremendous amount of smoke. Once combustion temp is reached in the flue, there is a ton of smoke, or energy, in the flue. The smoke is combusting in the flue rather than the stove. Once air is cut off, there's not enough to support combustion, so it stalls out and smokes.

    I saw in your sig that you buy wood. Are you buying two years ahead? Also do you close the air slowly? 100% open, then 75, then 50, then say 10%.

    Also the pic, looks like maybe there are bio-bricks? Those are a completely different animal and can go nuclear real fast. If that's what your using, then you can basically start dampering down once you see first flames. then roll at 50% till they're decently burning and damper down real quick.

    I really don't think a pipe damper is your issue. Might help, but that's not the main issue causing this.

    Just figured I'd share my thoughts. Good luck!
     
    Sean, stuckinthemuck, Chaz and 7 others like this.
  8. brenndatomu

    brenndatomu

    Joined:
    May 29, 2015
    Messages:
    20,438
    Likes Received:
    127,191
    Location:
    NE Ohio
    Welcome to FHC Kubota :handshake: some good insight there, great second post! :thumbs:
    Certainly sounds plausible to me!
     
    Sean, Chaz, Maina and 2 others like this.
  9. Marvin

    Marvin

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2018
    Messages:
    2,266
    Likes Received:
    15,259
    Location:
    Huntingdon, Pa
    Welcome to the club Kubota!
     
    Chaz, Maina and Horkn like this.
  10. Maina

    Maina

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2018
    Messages:
    1,618
    Likes Received:
    11,314
    Location:
    Maine
    Welcome aboard Kubota. I like your screen name :yes: Which Kubota do you have?
     
    Kubota and Chaz like this.
  11. Chaz

    Chaz

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2018
    Messages:
    8,528
    Likes Received:
    60,018
    Location:
    Southwestern NY
    Maina likes this.
  12. Biddleman

    Biddleman

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2019
    Messages:
    2,489
    Likes Received:
    18,828
    Location:
    River Hills of Pennsylvania
    To test the wood theory maybe you can buy some firewood that you know is seasoned or use some ecobricks, etc...
     
  13. papadave

    papadave

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2013
    Messages:
    18,181
    Likes Received:
    82,447
    Location:
    Right where I want to be.
    Moisture meter.
     
    Sean, moresnow and Chaz like this.
  14. Kimberly

    Kimberly

    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2015
    Messages:
    5,072
    Likes Received:
    12,814
    Location:
    The Kangaroo State
    Have you considered that your probe thermometer might not be accurate?
     
    Chaz likes this.
  15. Kubota

    Kubota

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2019
    Messages:
    14
    Likes Received:
    84
    Location:
    CT
    Thanks for the kind welcome!

    I have a B2650. Amazing what these things can do. Only minor regret is wishing I jumped up to the L2501 for some more weight.
     
    Chaz and Maina like this.
  16. Maina

    Maina

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2018
    Messages:
    1,618
    Likes Received:
    11,314
    Location:
    Maine
    That’s exactly why I went with the L2501, but it was a tough choice.
     
    Chaz likes this.
  17. Woody Stover

    Woody Stover

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    1,261
    Likes Received:
    3,039
    Location:
    Southern IN
    Ooooo, he said a bad word! :rofl: :lol:
     
    Sean, BCB, NVhunter and 6 others like this.
  18. Eckie

    Eckie

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2019
    Messages:
    3,059
    Likes Received:
    15,007
    Location:
    Virginia
    Shik,
    Did you ever get any kind of resolution to your issue?
     
    RGrant likes this.
  19. lukem

    lukem

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2013
    Messages:
    11,142
    Likes Received:
    57,501
    Location:
    IN
    I had a similar issue with a stove years ago. I had a leak in my stove pipe that was letting in enough air to burn off the smoke in the flue. Flue temps would go nuclear even though the stove was relatively cool. I confirmed this by using smoke to see where it was pulling in air (right around the collar where the pipe connects to the stove), sealed it up, and it ran great after that.
     
  20. wildwest

    wildwest Moderator

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2014
    Messages:
    28,158
    Likes Received:
    128,137
    Location:
    Wyoming high plains
    Happy Birthday shik :)