GMC Duramax 2.8 l Diesel

Like I said....talking


Maybe it's time the Donald puts the EPA in its place

 

Pictures proving as well isn't just talking.

The Ford designed 3.0 diesel hasn't been slapped yet, and it's been out for a while in range rovers and in other ford products outside of the USA. The 2.8 in the Colorado has been out there a little while as well, but nowhere near as long as the FCA ecodiesel or the Ford designed 3.0 diesel has, so we'll see.

But we also said that about the 3.0 ecodiesel, and before that 3.0 Audi Porsche VW diesel that had a DEF system that we were told would be well within EPA limits. Well, you can't buy any new Audi VW TDI of any kind anymore, and VW/Audi has said that they'll never bring a diesel back to the states again. You also can't buy a 2017 ecodiesel from a FCA dealer either as sales have been halted.

With all of the buyback program $ out there, of be nearly impossible to back track on that front. Unless Donald wants to pizz off VW/ Audi.

I have a feeling the FCA ecodiesel might be going the same route as the TDI.

I think there's a big reason why Ford hasn't introduced the f150 diesel yet. They are waiting to see what pans out with the EPA. They'll find out soon on the range rovers that have this motor soon enough, and since ford doesn't own Rover anymore, they are at zero liability. Just sit back and watch.



In states and areas that have emissions testing, you can't do any of that delete stuff. If you do it'll cost you a lot more than just repairing what broke. You also can't sell a deleted diesel to anyone that will register it in an emissions county, at least here in my state, unless you want a lawsuit. As a buyer of a vehicle on an emissions county, the previous owner is liable for selling faulty/ deleted emissions equipment on vehicles.

With all the added costs to maintain a diesel, and advancements in gas and gas turbo motors, most people would be far better off steering clear of diesels. Yes turbos on gas enginesare expensive to fix, but most diesels have those too.

You'd have to tow a lot, to make a diesel make sense. That would eliminate any non HD truck.

Obviously there are exceptions, and for some a diesel still makes sense, but that number of people has gotten a lot smaller with current EPA regs. We'll see what happens EPA wise, but I don't see there being much change on diesel regs in the EPA.

 

Hopefully things do get reigned in. I think we have a fighting chance.
I don't think Ford is just sitting back, they either have R&D and the build done or they don't. I do suppose a one year engine choice might look bad, but not as bad as not selling.
I do lots of "tuning" deleting on road emissions is illegal......But it's totally possible and is done ALOT in emissions states.

 

this really doesn't apply here as this was brought on by their own stupidity/ignorance/arrogance !
What did they think was going to happen? Nobody would notice?!?
I'd like to say good for them, but I'm a VW diesel fan. And I'm due for a newer one. But there wont be any to be had.

 

The odd thing was that the 2.0 4 cylinder TDI models had no DEF system, and we were told that they were EPA compliant. They were, but only in test mode where the abs sensors noted a stationary vehicle. Aka cheat mode.

The 3.0 6 cylinder tdi's had a DEF system, and didn't technically need a test mode cheat. Last I heard, was that they didn't actually have a cheat mode, but it all got lumped together as a "TDI problem" and everyone threw the baby out with the bathwater. We don't even know what the "fix" or buyout fit the 3.0 TDI is.

The 6 cylinder TDI EPA non compliance is as far as we know, is the same issue with the FCA 3.0 ecodiesel. Both motors have DEF systems, and cats. It should just be a tuning issue, but we will find out what FCA faces with the non compliant 3.0 ecodiesel.

What's interesting is that the ford designed 3.0 diesel makes more HP and TQ than the ecodiesel did. So, did FCA tune their motors to make more power to try to have bragging rights? The f150 didn't even have the diesel for purchase yet. It seems to me if that's what they did, it was foolish because there was no competition yet technically.

Ford designed EPA compliant ( for now) Rover v6 turbo diesel is 254 HP, and 440 TQ.
FCA 3.0 v6 turbo Ecodiesel, pre EPA non compliance figures are 240 HP and 420 TQ.

Idk, we'll see what happens.

One thing I did see was the new Ford/ GM co-developed 10 SPD tranny is specified for the 2018 f150 3.0 diesel that's going to certainly have well over 400 lb ft of TQ, if not the 440 or more the rover version has. It's also in the new raptor and zl1 Camaro with 640 HP and 640 TQ. That tells me it's a stout tranny.

 

Build it yourself 4bts are easy to find and make run by themselves.

 

HP ratings can change significantly with better or different engine management, exhaust systems etc . Ford has been severely lagging in pcm/engine management for the past 20 years until(they had to change ) recently. So I wouldn't expect them to have the modularity between subsidiary companies that they have acquired such as range Rover.

The 10 speeds are also not identical between Ford and gm. Cases are known not to be(no biggie) and probobly some Interals are going to be different. Along with pcm/ tuning differences the Tq ratings will be different.
With that said, most new transmissions are impressive compared from anything 10 years ago.
Both manufactures 6 speeds were good (GM's were better took ford a while to get them kinda right) so the 10 speed should handle the baby TQ numbers from most cars/trucks just fine.

 

All the 4bt I run across are from questionable sellers.

 

Well that a whole other story.

 

Good Info.
I see it as a better option for most diesel owners that want to tow on the weekends but ego rules the roost.
For most people this would be a good weekend hauler.
I tow more with my small SUV than just about any privately owned diesel I know.
It would probably save me quite a bit of fuel.

 

I still have my eye in a friend's first gen Dodge 4x4 Cummins, 5 speed.

 

Now you're talking about a combo that's almost bulletproof.

 

The neighbor farmer has two, a 1st gen 4x2 and a second gen 4x4, both of 'em I'm sure were sold off by the PO as "all but dead"...nope, they just keep on tickin...for years now.

 

That is they way it is getting here in VA. They put brine water on the roads with just a threat of a dusting of snow. Then if we get any accumulation they are out salting the roads like crazy. After the roads dry off from the snow the roads are white from salt. Most pre2000 trucks are rusted up pretty bad.

 

They plow here once the tires make a track in the snow. Last Sunday it was flurrying and I saw a truck sitting in the crossover ready to go.

 

Or if people would just stay home.