Getting a new truck, compare RAM EcoDiesel vs F150 Platnum??

Missed the new replies here somehow?

But yes it's the 2.3L it's the one with the 8 spark plugs. It burns some oil now (no blue clouds though) and wears out some spark plugs about 2x faster than it should.

 

Toyota had a frame rot issue. They made it right on those at least several models. And in high school all the guys that had big tires like 33s and 35s on the hilux or Tacomas blew head gaskets like crazy but not the stock guys?

 

Or yall can chain them up and you drag the new ram box around

 

Called the death wobble

 

In your eyes, maybe not. But to the auto industry, (except honda, because they've never built a truck), and 99.9% of people a truck is body on frame, rwd biased, optional 4wd.

That's why the ridgeline isn't a truck.

The explorer sport Trac was a more of a truck as it was all of those things.

 

Fwiw, Ford's about to drop their 3.0 diesel into an f150. More hp and tq than the ecodiesel if they use the tune that is used in the rovers. Also since it will most certainly have the 10 spd transmission, it should beat the ecodiesel for mpg too.

Let's see if gm will follow suit and drop a v6 diesel in 1500 Chevy/GMC. The Titan already has a diesel.

 

Death wobble is in the 2500/3500 with the track bar front ends that wear out and let the axle move side to side a little. It really sucks at 80 mph to be trying to keep it going straight.

 

Gm is too bureaucratic, they've had diesels developed for almost a decade. 2010 there were "testing" the 4.5
Besides they have the new/old Colorado/canyon diesel, That was slated for the trailblazer way back when.
I think they want to see how others do before spending the investment.

 

They'd be smart to hold off, Ram estimated 20% of Rams sold would have the ecodiesel but I don't think that number got any higher than 10%. I'm surprised Ford is even offering one, they already have 4 great engine choices and as a company Ford has mentioned that diesels aren't economical choices for the most part. I think most consumers have realized when they see the extra upfront cost of a diesel that they'll never get that money back.

 

I would agree with that. I think I have only seen one maybe two Eco diesls persiod.

 

With the power they get out of the newer gas engines now a days, it would seem that most truck buyers would not benefit from a diesel engine.

 

And like many of us keep repeating, I bet better than half the 1/2 tons out there are grocery getter status symbols that never tow , hardly ever have anything in the bed or do real work to need a truck. And unless they drive lots of miles it will take them a long time for the upfront cost of the diesel to pay off.

 

Right. There are different types of groceries though.

Sometimes diesel needed.



Sometimes gas needed.

 

I'd say that's a high fiber diet.

 

Ram would sell more ecodiesels of they could make more. Supply is lacking for the actual motors.

I guess we'll see how this pans out.

I know for me, the cost of ownership of a diesel truck wouldn't be overcome by marginally better mpg. Most people would fit into my situation.

 

I would say if those numbers are true, it is there own fault for using the VM Motori instead of the Cummins that was in development for ten years...
Cummins put Dodge on the map in 1989. They've sold well over a million diesel trucks since then.
If Fiat breaks up with Cummins in the Ram 2500/3500, they will see the same results.

 

Here is an article from 2006 for those that haven't heard of the cummins v6 durango and v8 1/2 ton
New Cummins V6 and V8 Diesel Engines - Exclusive Preview - Diesel Power Magazine
(remember this is ten years old now)

 

First, the added "upfront cost" you guys keep stating is really non-existent. The Ram Ecodiesel is a $2,700 upgrade from the regular Hemi in the same truck. HOWEVER, after rebates, discounts, bla bla bla, the price of the Ecodiesel and regular hemi in the same truck end up within a few hundred dollars of one another. There really is no difference in pricing when you get down to buying one.

Second, you folks are missing a major point/benefit to buying a diesel truck today. Sure you get better economy, you get more power, and you don't get more noise or pollution anymore. Since the cost is essentially the same on these small diesels, and the cost of maintenance is essentially the same, the real advantage comes when you go to sell the truck. They hold there value, and that I can assure is true as I've been shopping for a a while now to find one. This is the same in the marine industry. When I bought my boat which has 3 diesels in it (2 mains and a generator), everyone said "wow, your going to get killed with the cost....". Well, all of those people have since done major overhauls on their gassers, or worse replaced them. Not to mention have had tons of problems and issues and have lost lots of time out on the water during our already short season here in NY. Well, I have not had any problems with mine (knock knock knock on wood!), do nothing but change the oil and filters, and have spent tens of thousands of dollars less than them at this point. Best of all, I have lost no time out on the water. So you have to add in the "cost" of reliability of a diesel vs gasser, what's the price for a piece of mind? To me, PRICELESS!

Correct. The dealers on LI have all told me they could sell ALL of the ecodiesels then could get. Seems like more of a supply issue to me, not a demand issue.

 

I had no idea they were only a hundred dollars of each other. Yea that's a non issue if that's the case. You would recoup that cost in several thousand miles over that thirsty Hemi


In a 3/4 ton full size isn't it like a $5-7k upgrade