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Fehrenheit endurance

Discussion in 'Pellet Stoves, Pellet Fireplaces, Pellet Furnaces' started by Ward8512, Feb 22, 2014.

  1. Ward8512

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    Good idea, thanks!
     
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    Can you seal off the registers in the basement? They sell magnetic covers that work wonders. And you may need to close all the registers a little? With that many registers, by closing all of them some, you will build some pressure for the others that are harder to get air to?

    Also, is any of your duct insulated? That would help tremendously. 100% off my duct is insulated. The main trunk is Certainteed UltraDuct Gold (1" thick) thats R value -4.3 and then the runs that go from the Main to the registers is R-4.2 Flex vent. Even if you could just buy some insulation and wrap the exposed ducts? The warmer you can keep the air, the higher your register temps will be? 343amc wrapped a fair amount of his duct, if I recall correctly.

    To run it on level 5 constantly to maintain 70° is not right? Unless your home is insulated like swiss cheese? I have mine on level 3 right now and it just went from idle/low fire to level 3 (stat calling for heat). Gonna be about 0° here tonight and mine will still kick down. . Didn't have a fire yesterday, so the basement is a little cool. But the upstairs is 72°. :)

    What's the total Sq footage of your home? Basement and all subsequent levels? You said it before, but was that with the basement figured in? My house is about 2,180 upstairs. But about 3,000 with the basement factored in.

    The new furnace will burn a little better with the updates, but I still think your dampers are not working correctly. Also, that small trunk off the main 10" trunk I don't like at all. I personally would want 100% of the 10" feeding into a main plenum all at once.

    Have you sent some install pics to Mark Graham or Matt Fitts of Fahrenheit? I would like to hear what they have to say about that little junction just above the stove??

    Here are the magnetic covers (stops and seal vent almost 100%. Just closing the little flapper still let's air by. When only dealing with an 800 CFM blower? You need every bit of air you can get. Also, pic of insulated duct(main trunk and then the black flex vent sealed with foil tape).

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    Not sure of exact sq footage but I would guess maybe 1700 with the basement. My Hubby says the main floor and upstairs are about 1400 so I was off a little saying 1200.

    As far as insulation...we have remodeled the living room, upstairs bathroom/laundry room and 2 bedrooms. They are all insulated really well and have new triple pane windows. The dining room, kitchen, main bathroom and 1 bedroom are not done yet. Swiss cheese would be pretty accurate when describing these rooms. We found most walls in the bedrooms insulated with newspaper and hay when we tore them out!

    Do you have a email for Matt Fitts? I would like to show him what we have.

    My Husband got home and told me the dealer never called him today as promised. Dealer was supposed to talk to fehrenheit, get an estimated delivery date and then call us. I am about ready to cram this furnace somewhere he would find rather unpleasant...:mad:
     
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    Finally heard back from the dealer, the new furnace will be here Friday, it will be installed Monday. Let's hope they get it right this time! We are removing the rest of this wall this weekend so the furnace can be turned the other way and eliminate some of the bends in the duct work. We rented a concrete chain saw...cool... My hubby and I will be arguing about who gets to use that I'm sure! :D
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    Interesting that a concrete wall of that size isn't load bearing and can just be removed.
     
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    By removing the extra 90° and that extra horizontal section you will get 9' of EVL back. That itself will help the burn quality. :) Congrats!
     
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    Same thing I was thinking!

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    Definitely verify its not load bearing.

    Oh and we needs pics of said saw in action!
     
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    Not load bearing, it doesn't do anything except get in the way ;)
     
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    I'll take lots of pics! Maybe even a video! A case of beer and a chainsaw that can cut concrete...yep a video will be made! ;)
     
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    Thanks Dex! Let's hope it works great come Monday!
     
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    I see a register in that last pic. Things like that need sealed off completely. Get a good magnet or use foil tape. Also, around the edges of that register should be sealed with tape.

    Your only dealing with an 800 CFM blower. You need to keep the pressure up in your system as much as possible. That leak at that register is costing you valuable pressure and heat. Add in about 5 or 6 other small leaks and now the overall pressure has dropped and your flow to the father rooms is reduced.

    Sealing and insulating the duct is key here. One being just as important as the next. The hotter you can keep the air and the farther you can push it. The easier it will be to heat your area.

    My Dining room and Living room have no registers in them (none in use anyways). Because the warm air from my bathroom and bedroom, my son's bedroom, my daughter's bedroom, and their bathroom, all have to travel through the dining room and living room (air must return to basement) to get back to the Kitchen/Family room area, before it goes back downstairs through the basement door. By heating the father rooms, that will naturally heat any room that the air must go through to make it back downstairs.

    This is why primary furnace's have cold air returns. It keeps the system a closed loop. Only heating the upstairs. You can open a register in the basement if you choose to have heat down there? But otherwise it heats only the upper levels. Something in which you may have to do (hook up a cold air return to the Fahrenheit)
     
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    We are planning to hook up the cold air return. We never had one going to the 2nd story of our house, it ended on the main floor. Why they did that I have no idea. We are getting it ready to be installed, see picture below. It will probably be a couple weeks yet before that gets done. Just not enough time in the day for everything.... image.jpg
     
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    You don't have to have it going to the 2nd floor. The air from up there will come down the steps

    Just by connecting into your 1st floor will keep the basement 100% out of the loop.

    It won't hurt to hook one up to the 2nd level. But just want you to know it's unneeded. The 1st floor will remove the needed air and air will naturally come down from the wind story.
     
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    Sweet! :thumbs: Then I will go and order the optional attachment for the cold air return from fehrenheit. (We originally ordered it from the dealer but canceled the order figuring it would probably be overpriced and why give those crooks more business) we will be able to get that hooked up next week also then. Thanks again Dex, I appreciate it
     
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    Found out it was 90 dollars for 4 hours of renting the concrete chain saw and they aren't sure it will cut through field stone. We will be breaking out the sledge hammers instead. I think we're going to need more than 1 case of beer to persuade volunteers to help us. Glad my Husband has thirsty friends :)
     
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    Nice boat in you avatar. Champion?

    Sorry for the side track! :D
     
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    1 case is never enough :whistle:
     
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    Yes champion, we just got it at the end of the summer last year. Only had it out a couple times. We sold our Stratos and went with this one. I like the champion a lot better. Both did 7o+ mph but the champion is a nice smooth ride. Can't wait for summer to hook into some more big smallies on the bay! Feel free to change the subject to fishing or beer at any time ;)
     
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    I've got one of those non load bearing concrete block walls in my basement also. I think the intent was to partition the room (where my pellet furnace is) from the rest of the basement. If the line from my oil tank to the oil furnace didn't run along the bottom of that wall I'd have taken it out. Still might someday, but only if I could get rid of the oil tank too.

    A friend used a saw very similar to the one you rented. It doesn't go through fieldstone worth a crap, but a sledge sure does. :)
     
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