Even the EV guy gets it..

This may be the case but it is still reliable and predictable.

 

I think most EV users have a pretty good understanding of how the electricity available at the charging station is produced. The fact is that burning fossil fuel in an energy plant produces more energy in a much cleaner manner than burning that same amount of fossil fuel in an ICE vehicle.

 

Yes you can plug into just any outlet, most EVs come with a "charger" that is capable of plugging into a typical household outlet, but at 120v and 12 amps you are limited to 1440 watts. So with the typical EV having a battery of 50kwh or more charging at 1.4kw can take awhile.

We did install a level 2 240 v "charger" on a 50 amp circuit.

edit for clarification

The actual charger that converts the shore power AC to DC for an EV is part of the car. The "box" that you plug the car into whether that be the one provided with the car or a level 2 is nothing more than an interface with the car, it is basically a current limiter, called and EVSE (electric vehicle supply equipment). Once plugged in there is a "handshake" communication that happens between the car and the EVSE "box" you plug into so the car "knows" how much current the EVSE that you are plugged into can provide.

 

It’s Eric’s fault

 

The panels I am looking at installing (cloudy Vermont) get up an 18% increase on the backside from reflected light off the ground, and better with snow. Although it won't totally make up for the winter I expect a pretty big boost to account for the darker winters.
Technology is changing fast. It might not be there for everyone yet but we we've been stuck on fossil fuels for so long it's hard to have a vision for 10-15 years from now.

 

Punish working class people who actually have to go to a normal job even more. Sounds typical for the govt

 

One of the biggest issues that's been mentioned already is the range they can drive before needing to be charged. Until they can resolve that or greatly speed up charging times, I don't see EV taking off.

How long does it take to fully recharge after expending your miles driven?

My yearly trip to my friends in South Carolina is 840 miles each way. I have to stop to fuel up at least twice and that's in a good mpg vehicle.

 

Yes. This right here. The people I know who have electric cars bought them to save money in the long run. Ultimately, isn't that what almost everyone is concerned about to begin with?

 

I'm willing to bet there's a crowd of EV owners out there that have them as a status symbol, so they can virtue signal to the rest of us. I'm also willing to bet there's a crowd of IEC vehicle owners that refuse to even consider an EV because of the virtue signalers. They don't want to be part of "that" group and reject the idea right out of the gate. So it'll remain a slow cultural shift as the technology improves, but eventually it'll happen. Unless WWIII or some other calamity takes us all out first

 

Don’t get me wrong EV’s have their place & I have considered buying one but I highly doubt that the driving conditions on rural gravel/dirts roads are conducive to the longevity of the EV’s but I may be wrong.

But your assessment of recycling green energy components has some holes in it ..

You mean like this type of recycling of green energy products :

 

True...but your cell phone doesn't have 1000 lb batteries either...

 

Not but how many hundreds of millions of cell phones are out there and how quickly do some people go through them?

 

Mods have been the biggest offender so far on this one…

 

I was off just a little…how about over 6 billion smart phones

 

Again, true...you are not without a point...but how many phones can be made with the material in just 10 car batteries? I bet a TON! (or make it 100 car batteries, whatever...)
But I do think volume matters...the more the demand, the more material coming from areas where its mined in "unsuitable" manners...strictly a hunch, but I'd bet I'm not wrong...

 

The statistics show there are over 1 billion passenger vehicles on the road. How many batteries per passenger vehicle? Then start adding work trucks, delivery vans, buses, tractor trailers, heavy equipment, etc

Sorry man, no comparison. There would be far more batteries for vehicles and they're what? 100 times the size?

No one who is for "clean energy" ever answers where the solar panels and batteries end up. In landfills, that's where. Eventually leaking into the ground. Not saying I'm against it, but there are a lot of holes in the logic. Also where is the electricity produced? What type of powerplant?

 

Yes agree completely!! And saving the environment for our children/grandchildren !!!

but the facts are the United States is a consumer nation and are encouraged to throw it out and buy new.

I am convinced there will always be the poor in the world. The faster natural resources increase in price. The more you going to see the six year old boy melting circuit boards over an open fire; inhaling all the toxic fumes United States ships over there because of our feel good policies and incentives!!

1) The American feels good because they recycled
2) buy new products from China
3) fill now empty shipping container with recycling
4) ship back to Asia, they burn it with no regulations
5) pollute air, ocean; while using se tons of fuel in shipping

Then we act so righteous and drive our electric vehicles and say we are recycling and saving the world.
Meanwhile the families of the 6 year old boy hate us because he dies of heavy metal poisoning before he turns 20..

The cycle continues

 

I thought we were talking about the batteries in EV's?