Even the EV guy gets it..

Yup I for one don’t like the idea of paying for other’s stuff. Especially in this market we are in today.

 

I have an uncle that’s worked his whole career in the oil industry up in Alaska. He told me that not only was fracking the most cost inefficient way to produce oil, but it was the worst environmentally. The chemicals they use to separate the oil molecules from the rock, and what happens to them afterwards… It kind of stuck with me coming from a guy whose livelihood depends on the bubbling goo coming out of the ground.

 

$50 per barrel to be cost effective. Less than that they lose. I remember the days of cheap petroleum. I know I’m really dating myself now, seems like just a little over a year ago.

 

When I look at aerial photos of my old stomping grounds in Colorado, and see how many roads they've built, holes they've poked in the ground, and ponds built, it is quite concerning. For me, that means insulating my home better; driving a more efficient car, less; and likely using as much solar as I can since I have the land for it.

 

You missed my point, the cars get driven on roads. If EV don’t pay the road tax and everybody goes electric; eventually there’s no roads to drive on. So at some point, all subsidies are a pyramid scheme.

 

Yes Flamestead agree completely, use renewable (like wood) conserve and learn


I wonder if it was similar when cars started to replace horses. Yeah those cars are great, need a road to go on, they always break, their range is limited by availability of gas stations

 

They’ll figure a way to tax EV to pay for roads, plus there will still be excise taxes. What they really need to invent is hover crafts

 

How much do you pay to have that EV recharged when you take it on a road trip?

How long does a typical recharge take?

Are there waiting in line times involved at recharging stations besides the charging time?

 

500 miles is a three day trip. And plan hotels accordingly. Don’t use heat or a/c or it will be 5 days.

 

No wonder why this administration is so in favor of EV's! It's easy to see that no one will have the freedom to hop in a car and travel.

 

the percentage of EVs on the road currently is inconsequential to the revenue from the gas tax, when that becomes a problem it will be a good problem to have and I’m sure the powers that be will find a way to deal with it.

 

What's the penalty for turning on the radio...or wifey using the vanity mirror?!
Makes an old steam train sound like the bullet train!

 

In the state of Ohio EV registration is $200 per year in lieu of paying fuel tax at the pump.

 

charges for electricity on a road trip vary. Operating costs for an ev are way less than an ICE vehicle. Charging time varies by EV and by the power that the charging station can deliver. My car has the potential to charge from 10% to 80% in 18 minutes. There can be queues at public chargers, I have yet to encounter one. For most people the vast majority of their driving is within the range of an ev so the majority of their charging happens at home. Road tripping in an EV at the moment can be a bit of an inconvenience but that will only get better as the infrastructure improves.

most new EV come with some sort of free charging. Mine comes with two years of free charging at public chargers.

 

Chit, it’s going to be a week if she’s listening to NPR and putting on makeup!

 

After posting that, I looked around the web and found out there are 3 different levels of charging. I read where charging the new mustang ( ) can take up to 75 hours! Must be worst case but far too long of a wait in any case for level 1.

Level 2 can charge enough for 80 miles in an hour.....this is the best time listed. The worst time listed for level 2 charging is 12 miles of driving for one hour of charging!

Level three....pretty rare stations....takes anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes for almost a 80% charge. Can't be good for the battery and I'll bet affects the life of the battery.

In any case, other than just a short commute, I fail to see the advantage of the EV given the long wait for charging. Driving out west in one would make a drive straight through trip in well over a week long...and uncomfortable without AC! No more family vacays!

 

like I said road tripping in an ev currently can be a bit inconvenient and certainly takes more planning but it is hardly as bad as you portray it to be. Do you really think EVs would sell at all if the situation was all that bad?

I don’t know of an EV currently for sale that doesn’t have at least 100mi range (mine has a range of up to 280) even in extreme cold which is way more than enough for most peoples commutes and commuting or traveling within that distance of your home will cover the vast majority of driving. So for the most part, you unplug at your house, drive to work, maybe charge at work, drive home and plug in and the car is ready to go again in a few hours, certainly by the next mornings commute.

battery degradation due to DC fast charging (level 3) is generally not a problem. The issue here is heat and the cars battery management system will monitor the battery temp and adjust the charging rate accordingly. Most EVs will actively heat and cool the battery to optimize charging and minimize potential damage.

 

Thanks,,, I'm gonna use that one!

 

That is a logical solution but charges EV the 40
Cent tax a mile for only 500 miles. Assuming $200 Registration for EV is $200 plus price of regular vehicle registration doubtful.

Point still being subsidized