Even the EV guy gets it..

I know...bad choice of words on my part.

 

Honesty if what you are doing is working for you that’s great. I don’t think it should be pushed on everybody tho. Not all have a home/ property that’s profitable. A huge pine tree on the neighbors property blocks a lot of my potential sunlight.

 

Good to know. I read it somewhere on the submerged part.

 

So Dave without the cars and battery back up and tax credits.. Rough numbers your 6.8 and 3.1. Systems together cost roughly $25,000 upfront
and are expected / warranty to produce $50,000 of electricity over 20 years

is this correct??

 

Basically yes. But you are skewing the numbers by not including the tax credits and not considering future electricity rate increases. And in my case the $50K value of electricity production goes up because of the added value of not buying gasoline.

 

I couldn’t agree more.

Look, and this is not directed at Warner in particular, my set up works for me and I’m an advocate because I believe in the added benefits. My logic is that the vast majority of energy humans consume on this planet comes from the sun, so why not take advantage of being able to harvest and harness that energy directly from the source. It’s like being able to buy your lumber directly from the mill or your milk and eggs directly from the farmer, except it doesn’t require any additional effort on your part after the initial set up. It doesn’t necessarily need to make extraordinary financial sense at least not for me, but the fact that I can treat it as a long term investment is another added bonus. I get my electricity directly from the sun and I get my heat directly from the trees grown by the sun. I really don’t understand this whole “forcing it on anybody” sentiment. Nobody twisted my arm and forced me to install PV solar and buy EVs and frankly I don’t see that happening either. I didn’t set out to be Mr. Solar EV on this thread, I saw bad information being posted and tried to correct it and Yoop called me out on it so I provided some real data.

 

Modern premium panels have moved to a 25 year warranty (90%) and are likely to still produce 80% at 30 years- or so they say.

 

If I hurt your feelings I’m sure you will get over it.

 

If someone preaches the green global policy they should really commit 100% to the idea in my opinion.

 

Ok here is a simple breakdown on the solar deal in Maine.These solar companies charge 14 cents per kWh wholesale to the grid and allow a 15% discount. The standard offer here wholesales electricity at 3.5 cents with no discount or subsidies. Another gimmick. Not to mention they are destroying the farmlands.

 

Why's that?
That's a little like saying that if you are gonna buy a wood stove you better be heating 100% with wood.
Me personally, if someone wants to "preach green" that's fine...free speech n all...but when you start changing laws and forcing this stuff on me, now we gonna have a problem.

 

The solar companies are so gung-ho cause they're making money hand over fist leasing peoples roofs and land for profit. Most homeowners can't afford to pay to install their own system. They're only getting a reduction on their bill. As Fuelrod stated many peoples bills (including mine) aren't that high to begin with. Good luck when you want to re shingle your leaky roof and the solar company isn't in business any more.

I really want to know what is going to happen to all the panels when they stop being productive. They are shipped here by the cargo ship.

 

Our bill runs about the same. I think the highest we have seen recently was 135 but it was legit Miller tig usage. Don’t run a dryer much. LP stove. Wood boiler. 20 year old home 2 story colonial with much larger than normal garage. Not a modular quality home. I like my duramax and quite positive Tesla or any other ev company is building anything to handle towing 10k plus. And I can go 600 miles easily without stopping.

 

Ok thanks, I am considering the investment, and in
my situation every decision on improving a property is a ROI based.

Not trying to skew numbers just don’t expect to have that much saved until after tax credits expire

 

Yeah I have thought about this a time or two...bet these solar panel installers have caused more than 1 or 2 leaks!

 

More than a few. I inspect these systems and some of the solar crews are awful. I've had to make companies come back and re-shingle the entire roof. They ripped the old shingles off by hand where the mounting puck was and screwed it to the roof. No boot. no flashing, not even caulking.

 

I've also seen several screw the mounting rails to just the sheathing. Engineer letter specifically states into the roof framing member. (rafter, truss, etc) they go to move the screws and tried caulking the old screw holes. Homeowners don't know the difference. Many inspectors don't even look at the panels.

Rip it off. Re-do it right.

 

yes seen this plenty it seems to work better on standing seam

 

Re shingle the entire roof!
Does that mean after they took all their chit off?
Then had to reinstall it?