EPA approves new woodstove emissions standards

Name calling is so very, unnecessary

 

I see the arguement from all the angles so far and I like the debate, theres merit to the arguements... but as political as it's getting there could be a train derailment in here soon.

 

Irrelevant. "Mighty Whitey", whose screen name is quite revealing by the way, stated, "With "FREEDOM" comes responsibility!!!! If you're not responsible for your actions/freedom.............it'll be taken from you via....................you know what/who!!" , and " Anytime gooberment is involved in anything.....................it means higher taxes and a bigger gooberment on all levels!!!! Which means less freedom in the end!!!!" When presented with irrefutable examples of how "government" protected Americans from physical harm, instead of replying with intellectual discourse, he posted, "Government is essentially evil because it can potentially give me want I need to survive.................but; at the same time, can take everything I've ever earned!!!! " In summary, a non-specific rant laced with unsupported allegations of "government" thuggery.

Woodstock has been a leader in producing affordable, clean-burning stoves and I am proud to own an Ideal Steel. It seems that "Mighty Whitey" regards any effort to reduce woodstove emissions as a government conspiracy. And that's just plain silliness.

 

I agree with this....

 

I'm with you there, does the EPA do stupid things, yes and they over correct all the time but the conspiracy thing just makes me shake my head.

 

Well, according to information I recently read, it could be one of four things at the minimum:

1) Ground glass.
2) Toilet contamination.
3) Anything that may have caused a failed QA check (that is a really BIG arena).
4) Flies.

So which of the above does your new medication taste like the most, overall?

Sorry, I just could not resist.


Brian

 

I was burning stoves with catalysts in them long before it was even popular or mandated so it is safe to say that I do care about the environment and I do want to burn clean stoves and I would choose to burn such a stove whether I was told I had to or not. I do not however believe that the EPA has our best interests in mind in most instances. Also forcing more and stricter regulations upon us at our cost is just a spit in the wind compared to all the other countries spewing air contaminants that it will most likely be hardly noticed in the grand scheme of things. ( not that this would make it right to use crappy stoves or crappy burning habits and I do not condone either)

Do I think that these regulations will be the immediate end to wood burning no I don't and it probably won't affect me that much at all. I do think that if you look around at most things that are regulated tightly it all started with a few regulations and as the decades roll by more and more regulations are added and the control gets tighter and tighter and years later people are standing around scratching their head saying how did we get here but it was just one slow step at a time. Luckily, I doubt it will be in my lifetime though........

 

Interesting read on what Jotul had to say regarding the new standards.

http://bangordailynews.com/2014/02/...will-drive-up-costs-thwarting-desired-effect/

 

Well I guess when my stove is worn out, I will just buy another Lopi, or a NC 30 that's already compliant with the new standards.
Seriously, why are the more expensive, more complicated, more maintenance intensive, stoves not meeting the standards already?
Edit, oh wait maybe it's Planned obsolescence
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Here is the EPA list of stoves and particulate output. Interestingly enough stoves I though for sure would pass don't and others that I though wouldn't pass do.


http://www2.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2013-08/documents/certifiedwood.pdf

 

Not sure their testing methods are sound.
Where is the testing for the idiot burning green wood or the guy with too big a stove and chokes it down.
There are no "clean" wood stoves just some that are better then others.

 

The cost thing I dont think is really an issue as so many folks who could buy a nice stove like a Enlander NC30 for $899 , they go out and buy one for 3 grand.
So if a person really needs a stove under 2 grams emissions they can just keep buying the $899 Englander NC30 as its at 1.6 Grams and meets the new standard already. If those manufacturers selling stoves for 3 grand cant figure out how Englander does it for $899 then they can just go out of business. As they got 5 years to figure it out its not like its due tomorrow.

 

I'm all for the new regulations and I'm not a fan of big government. Most of the industry isn't going to get better on their own, they're going to need to be "forced" to get better. If it wasn't for the EPA back in 88 we'd still be burning smoke dragons.

Not much different than the auto industry, the government regulates automotive fuel economy and emissions laws. For diesel engines in 04 the EGR was required, 07 the DPF, 10 the SCR. While most manufactures experience growing pains with these changes most manage to get it done.

 

Definitely agree. I can tell if an oak log slips in the stove that ain't kosher.
Just start her up open all way up get her hot full o coals (good bed) in box then add logs and close er down and no smoke will belch out the back-end. I use a dovre 2500 that works great. Its not a cat but it sure purs.

 

The epa probly knows this its a set up.. and dont think for a second they would love to ban burning poor wittle twees that speak to the greenies when they frollick in the forwest hoppin awong da cannibas trail stoned out their minds.
Lol. I know im not well but neither are they.

 

I hope u do realize that burning just wood isnt any different than letting it sit on the forest floor and rot away. Both emit th same carbons and materials than burning. Sound crazy.look it up. Burning does release it quicker into the carbon cycle tho. if they know its 0 sum pollutant why are they so stuck on making stoves super clean. Social engineering anyone?? If the greenies can drill it into ur head that burning wood is "pollutant"u will believe it and forget all about the carbon cycle. U see thats what these people are all about. They hate industry energy coal wood burners and that includes u brah!. I agree w u that we need to keep thw smoke down for our neighbors but to heck w them. Let them go to mars for all I care. They are environazies.

 

That would be true if the burning process was complete but its not, if interested I can find you the link as I think I saved it

 

Feels like it sometimes!! Try paying taxes in NY! I'm not even sure I'm aloud to have a scrotum!

I actually think if it drives up the cost for stoves, and wood (for those that purchase wood, assuming wood has to be sold seasoned...), it will be a good thing. Cause less "idiots" will buy stoves and burn wet wood and create smoke dragons and lawsuits like the few in the other current lawsuit threads. And, it will leave more wood in the woods, for us!!


PS- Thanks WOODSTOCK! My PH already passes!