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Does My Wood Look Seasoned?

Discussion in 'The Wood Pile' started by fox9988, May 6, 2015.

  1. fox9988

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    ^I use both^. Hard to tell with all the leaves blown up against the stacks.


    On my second year with an EPA stove, I MM'ed some 2 year CSS'ed red oak in the upper teens, with no cover. I was surprised but we had two record setting hot/dry summers . I didn't even MM this years wood. Most was 3 y/o, little bit of 4 y/o. Good dry stuff.
     
  2. bogydave

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    Looks like you have the wood & the space.
    EPA stoves love "popcorn fart" dry wood :) :yes:

    Wish I could relate to red oak firewood, but it's Alaska Birch for me :(
     
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    :rofl: :lol:
     
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    I can't agree more.:thumbs:
     
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  5. oldspark

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    "Popcorn fart dry wood"?
    How dry is that, dont forget wood gets so dry and then its done no matter how long it sits.
     
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    I like popcorn farts...:rofl: :lol:
     
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    Not sure, no moisture meter.
    Estimate: ( 3 years+ seasoned , off the ground, good air circ, top covered , that's for birch & spruce here.)
    15 % ± or less :)
     
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    TMI dude, TMI.
    :rofl: :lol:
     
  9. Oldman47

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    In most places the "natural" driest wood is still going to be around 7 or 8 % moisture content. If you manage to get it drier than that you had better store it with a good desiccant or it will return to that level.
     
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    Yea
    Goes up & down with weather & seasons.
    Our winters are dry , tough on wood furniture , good for firewood. :)

    Does having some moisture in the wood help with heat output when burned. ?

    Is some moisture good for heat transfer ?

    I guess the question is , is there an "Optimum moisture content" for stove burning efficiency, or is it 0%
     
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  11. oldspark

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    Wont happen here, can you get it that dry in Illinois, about 15% or so is the lowest I have seen.
     
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  12. oldspark

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    Many posts over the years about that but some seem to refuse the information.
     
  13. oldspark

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    "Properly seasoned firewood still has a fair amount of water in it, say 15 to 20 percent of its weight. That water regulates the combustion process along with a few other factors like piece size, load configuration and combustion air supply.

    The higher the fuel moisture, the slower the wood breaks down when heated because of all the heat energy soaked up in boiling the water out of the wood and raising the temperature of the steam.

    Conversely, the dryer the wood, the more quickly it breaks down when heated. By breaking down, I mean the vaporization of the volatile components of the wood; that is to say, it smokes. The dryer the wood, the more dense is the smoke at a given heat input rate.

    Since wood smoke is fuel, we want to burn it as completely as possible and that means mixing with adequate oxygen in the combustion air. The problem is that a firebox load of very dry wood produces far more smoke than the air supplies of stoves are designed to provide. Besides, even if you could supply enough air, you would produce an inferno that would howl in the stove and make everyone in the house nervous. Fires that intense can seriously damage the stove's innards. Wood that is very dry produces a fire that is hard to control without making a lot of smoke.

    Kiln-dried wood is down around 10 percent moisture. Depending on climate and conditions of storage, normal firewood won't dry down to kiln-dried moisture because of normal outdoor humidity. For example, I've never measured wood below about 14 percent in my firewood supply. But I suppose that firewood could get very dry by natural seasoning in desert conditions. Or firewood stored in old barns, which are like kilns in hot summer weather.

    The right band of firewood moisture is between 15 and 20%. When you get much over 20% you start to see symptoms of sluggish ignition and the inability to turn down the air without extinguishing the flames. Towards 30% the wood sizzles and fires are very sluggish and it is hard to get a clean burn until the wood is almost to the charcoal stage. Above 30% water bubbles from the end grain when the wood is heated and it is very hard to burn at all. Species like poplar/aspen, which have very high native moisture content are virtually non-combustible when not adequately seasoned.

    The main difference between EPA low-emission certified stoves and conventional stoves is that you can turn down EPA stoves for a long burn without extinguishing the flames. That is, they are better at producing a clean, controlled fire. The EPA test method requires wood with a moisture content between 16 and 20 per cent (19 - 25% dry basis) and when the wood is outside this moisture band, the stove's emission rate goes up. So even the best wood stove's performance will suffer if the wood is not in the right moisture range.

    If you have some very dry firewood, like kiln-dried cut offs or old wood stored in a hot place, mix it with regular firewood to raise the moisture content of a full load."

    JG
     
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    Sometimes they smell like popcorn, too:p
     
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    Wow! Nice write up there, oldspark :). No challenge here...
     
  16. oldspark

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    Not my write up Eric, its from John on woodheat.org
     
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  18. oldspark

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    According to the charts I should be able to get mine lower then the 15% but a lot of variables involved plus what time of year it is.
     
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    Cool- still a good post, and thanks for putting it up:)
     
  20. bushpilot

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    oldspark, I am thinking you are on the mark.

    So, why do many people insist that the best wood is dried 2-3 years? Mine is down below 20% after one season (it is mostly pine and douglas fir). Does a longer time improve the wood in some other way?

    Greg