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Chinese Stihl 070 knockoff

Discussion in 'Chainsaws and Power Equipment' started by Uncle Augie, Nov 18, 2014.

  1. Uncle Augie

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    I have enlarged and cleaned up the exhaust port on the old craftsman that I have and I have started the research to do the same on the 359 I have. In addition I have matched the exhaust ports, and my turbocharger in my 2005 Saab92x when I rebuilt the engine 3 years ago. So yes understand the principals behind porting a internal combustion. Engine.
     
  2. Scotty Overkill

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    Part of the problem is when you ask for input, you only want input that speaks to your way of thinking. You start a post like this, you better be able to handle both sides of the issue. Lots of people have had bad experiences with Chinese goods. Lots of others haven't. So please take the good with the bad.

    Hedgerow didn't threaten you, but you assumed he did. But you took a quote from a different thread and put it in this one, which took it out of context from what he intended.......see what I'm saying?

    Moral of the story maybe is "not all Chinese knockoffs are created equal"?

    All I'm asking is that you try not to be so confrontational in your posts....lots of people see it, step back and look at what we are saying......
     
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    Relax I'm not nor was attacking you. I accept you opinions and feelings as your own. I used your post to illustrate a point nothing more

    Sorry if you saw it that way, that was not my intent
     
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    What did you end up with for exhaust and intake on the old poulan?
    Did it respond with gains for you?
     
  5. Scotty Overkill

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    Imma 'bout to stick a fork in this one fellas.......:headbang:
     
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    Awsome, first hand experience good or bad was what I asked for
    Not happy fuzzys only
    Have now idea on what it ended up with had no reason to keep the measurements , but it now runs better that it ever did for my father. I do all the work on a 5inch thick chunk of cast iron and only work in 5min bursts to keep the parts from changing due to heating up
     
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    No sir!!!
    You used my observations of 3 years of running honda clones to try and prove a point in a thread I was not having any input in..
    About 070 knock offs???
     
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    Again not my intention to upset you sry
     
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    Opinions will always come from both sides of the fence.

    No need in getting upset because others feel one way or the other. This is a forum and you asked for opinions. They will be good, bad, and now some are getting ugly.
     
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    I hate Chinese copies, nothing but the real deal!
     
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    I wanted experience good or bad, funny thing is the members with the negative opinion have no experience with the item in question. You have experience with Chinese saws, your opinion isn't 100% positive, but you pointedout things to look for when buying,not just calling all Chinese made goods turds.. Lol
     
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    I've bought some china knock off (aftermarket) cylinders on ebay and they suck.

    There you go, opinion backed up by facts.
     
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    I told you my honest opinion of the Chinese knock off case I bought for my Husky 372XP when I rebuilt it, as I said it wasn't horrible but it was a low quality casting.....being the material they used wasn't as good as a factory case. And it needed some modifications for the oiler to fit. But it has held up so far, so I'd rate it at a "C-".

    I'm going to assume that most of these knock-off parts are made in the same handful of foundries over there, so it's probably gonna be an "average" deal. You certainly won't be getting a Stihl 070, in terms of quality or longevity.

    Anytime you buy a Chinese replacement P/C assembly, it is highly recommended by the pros that you buy a good quality set of piston rings and throw out the rings supplied in the kit....

    These are things to consider in regards to your decision whether or not to buy one.
     
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    Negative attitude, because I see the flaws in any potential savings a "cheap" saw might bring?

    To me, its a waste of money to buy a chinese clone. They (usually) are made of inferior materials and don't meet minimum safety standards, see this video of a clone failing standard tests :

    Its "penny wise, pound foolish" because a saw from any of the majors, be it Stihl, Husky, Solo, Echo, Dolmar will be a 10 or 15 year purchase for most on here. Deprecate that $500 Husky saw purchase over 15 years. How many years out of a chiclone? All the "free" bars and chains in the world made out of chinese mystery metal wont make up for that. Been burned several times with chinese small engines and parts. They arent worth it, might as well have burned the money.

    Ignoring all the above, frankly I dont want to support China unless I have no other options. They show no regard to our copyrights and patents let alone what they do to their own people. Its our own greed, buying this crap in the west, that is helping china to become a superpower that will one day be the primary threat to our own well being.
     
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    How can you comments to on the material that was used in the casting? Has the casting had a material failure? Seems like they were using a different mold for the casting itself or it wasn't cleaned up properly.
    The comment about the rings is what I'm looking for. If I can buy a 070 replace the rings port the exhaust, returned the carb and have a hard running saw for 1/8 - 1/3 the price of a new 100+ cc saw that is a win in my book.
     
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    Now I have a question for you...

    Why would you want a genuine 070, let alone a knock off one?
    Sure, they're cheap, but they're slow as hell!!!
    There are numerous other offerings out there that would serve your needs way better...
    Or is it not really about that at all?
     
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    Uncle Augie ,in the video the clone 070 sounded healthy with a poorly prepped chain. What
    I've read is they usually need a better quality carb for dependability.

    I do have a idea though, how about you spend the time and money to do the testing and bring the feedback to us so we can be educated on the subject.

    How is the E85 testing working out in your saw?
     
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    Actually yes, the casting DID fail around the friction brake spring....it's very brittle.

    And to touch up on what hedgerow said, they are REALLY slow.....and REALLY heavy.....in comparison of today's saws....
     
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    Also I'm not sure if the cylinders in these cheapo 070's are Nikasil coated or not. That will play a HUGE factor in quality and reliability.
     
  20. Hedgerow

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    You think they're cast? Or chrome?