Check your spark arrestors!

Thank you buddy! I might try to get back in here tonight.

 

The lucas air cooled was like 30 out of 34 or 35.

 

I very well know the JASO standard. The oil I've used for years is JASO FD.

 

You missed the most important part. Its honor system only. JASO does NOT verify the oil blenders claims it meets the JASO standards, which is a minimum standard by the way. Oils can and do surpass that rating. The point is, for me, that stamp of approval is completely meaningless if there is no verification on the JASO end.

 

Pay us the $5000 a year and you can put that stamp of approval on your bottle.

 

I didnt miss anything, I was just telling you what it was lol. You may be 1000% right on everything you've researched.

 

Kind of odd that some of the big "name brands" carried on for years with an FB rating when they could have had FD.

 

I honestly don't pay attention to whether an oil has the JASO stamp or not. It means nothing to me. Especially after the things I've seen during my testing and in real world usage. Add to that the fact they don't even verify the claim of the oil company / blender that is applying for the right to print the official stamp on their products. It just reinforces my lack of care as to wether the FA-FD rating system is on a bottle.

I'll say this, either the FD standard is a really low bar or some of these oil blenders just pay for the Stamp and don't meet the rating knowing there are no checks and balances.

 

Carbine

Which Lucas oil do you run?

 

I use tall timber because it works well and is available locally. It says it is jaso fd, but who knows.
no carbon and no smoke.

 

So you said oil manufacturers can pay 5k for a JASO certification. You also said that the certification means nothing to you, and that it is a "minimum standard" (its no different than any other SAE or API rating is it? Of course there has to be a minimum standard for the rating). You also said that the JASO scale is an honor rating.
In your last post you aren't sure about what you've said in previous posts... as you say that FD could really just be a low standard and oil companies arent paying for the rating lol. If you dont know what the standard is, how can you dispute the rating?

I posted in this thread before reading back on some of your old posts, or I wouldn't have brought it up. You should be defensive about your knowledge of these oil tests, if you've put all the time and effort into them as you say you have. I have no idea what you've tested or how, so make no mistake I am not trying to dispute them. I just don't understand why this data isn't posted in public light I guess... which is why we aren't going to have an oil debate.

I use a saw more than most, and have been more involved wrenching on them than most. There are also plenty of guys out there that know more than me, and the ones that I have been able to know personally- I listen to and learn from.


*** TLDR, I dont believe something is good or bad because someone on the internet said so... but I would be more than happy to learn if that information was public. I don't want a PM of secret oil tests. If something is good or bad, please show us.

 

Having delt with individuals like you in the past is exactly why the testing continues in PM form for those that have an open mind and want the information. I care less what you or anyone else runs in their equipment. I went on this journey, of my own volition, and wanted to share the information and that lasted exactly 6 oils before the individuals that attach their emotions to products took it personal. That went south instantly because personal attacks don't sit well with me and will be answered in kind.

Now to address this...
My point, about the FD rating is based on the fact some FD rated oils can't last 20 minutes in my testing, some not even 4 minutes, and some non Jaso certified oils, FB rated and other FD rated oils can last 9 hours X 3 different lean ratios. Same testing protocols, same brand of equipment. This indicates, to me, either the bar is low and some some far exceed it, wether they have the FD stamp or not, or becsuse of the honor system outlined in the JASO document I posted allows them to get away with not meeting whatever the standard is. Thats my thoughts on that. Like them or don't. Matters not to me.


I'll propose this to you. I'm going to Walts GTG next year in Ohio. You should too. We each bring a new in box identical saw. Unopened. An Affordable and reliable option would be an Echo CS-310 from home Depot. You bring your oil, I'll bring the top three in my testing. I'll bring six 1 gallon cans each containing one gallon of 90 E-free gas. You pick your three at random AND you pick the oil I have to use out of those three. Then, we mix the first gallon at 100:1 and get cutting after tuning and putting a tach to them to even them up . Last man standing gets reimbursed by the other for the cost of the saw and oil, or in my case, the saw, oil, cans and gas. If we both make it through 100 we move to 200 then 300.

And you are right, there will be no oil debate in the open air as they always devolve into arguments and personal attacks and I'm not doing that here. Not to this place. This isn't AS or OPE after all. This is the last reply I'll have for you here. PM me if you want to discuss my above proposal. We might both learn something from it if you are game.

 

Lucas isn’t good and the no smoke I used to use isn’t great either but didn’t leave the bottom end dry like Lucas. No this testing isn’t 100% fool proof but majority of it is controlled very well for an at home test. It’s also very extreme at 200:1 and then 300:1 so while most every oil in this test will work why not shoot for the better end of the list and not even the top just middle even. Stihl ultra did poorly and I work on saws for several tree guys and that’s all they ran. Now they have switched to orange again because I told them it did far better in the lubrication side of things. They want to run Stihl oil because it’s easy to get, amsoil and red armor made it past the 300:1 for 8-9 hours and still ran at the end to go back into use at 50:1. Also Lucas costs as much as amsoil so I’m buying amsoil next.

 

Lucas doesnt make any bad products, including their oil, but that definitely doesnt mean there isnt better out there. When you say the bottom end was dry with Lucas... at what ratio? Is this the same test everyone is talking about? Can you post the results so we can see them?
What made your local tree guys switch from the Stihl grey back to the orange?

 

I don't see how tuning with a tach would be reliable when testing oils. The saws should be tuned by ear for their respective mix.

 

To keep the control variable the same.

 

What I’ve seen I in this testing, orange went into 300:1 the silver didn’t. Orange is fb and so is ultra but a lot of the jasco ratings for the higher ones is lots of smoke output ect from quite a bit of research I’d done on my own. Was a big believer in the jasco ratings and the iso ledg+ which is equal European standard. The fd doesn’t do much different for lube standards over fb/fc more a cleanliness test in carbon but more in smoke/ air quality using a clear plastic box to trap the smoke and they measure light transmission from one side to the other. My fd rated oil made it like 20 min at 200:1 and amsoil made all the way past 300:1 but they technically have the same ratings.