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Canadian members...guess who's interested in your wood burning...

Discussion in 'The Wood Pile' started by saskwoodburner, Sep 15, 2018.

  1. MikeInMa

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  2. Timberdog

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    It is... wood burning is “carbon neutral” because it doesn’t dig up sources of carbon buried way deep in the earth and add to the atmosphere. Wood slowly adds carbon as it decays on the forest floor but burning it just speeds it up and it adds carbon all in one short burst. After it is burned it’s forever done adding carbon and will add no more. But it’s the exact same amount as if that same log rotted away slowly and drizzled it’s carbon into the atmosphere as it decayed and rotted away over say 30 years. Had you not burned that log it would have added the carbon through decay all by itself. When you burn oil or gas that has come from deep within the earth you add that carbon that had otherwise been sealed off plus the wood you could have burned but didn’t lies on the forest floor trickling it’s carbon into the biosphere as it slowly decays. At least, that’s according to global warming theory, if you believe in that (which I don’t, but that is a whole other thread)
    Even if you don’t buy the whole Global Warming Farce you can get the environazis off your back when they hear you burn trees and are horrified by your supposed transgression. When you explain using their terms and beliefs that wood burning is carbon neutral they back off.
     
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  3. Gasifier

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  4. Chaz

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    Actually, if cutting a live tree for firewood, we are taking something that is currently sequestering carbon (and would capture more), and releasing the carbon it captured throughout it's life cycle.

    Now, our fellow hoarders who rescue (scrounge) wood that has already been cut and (is or will be) disposed of, or would otherwise be left to rot, then it's carbon neutral in a sense. (This includes cutting standing dead trees, and storm damage salvage)

    We are releasing that carbon quicker by burning it than if it were left to rot, but the net positive of it supplying heat that would have been gotten by some other fuel source offsets that as well.

    I am of the opinion that it is nearly impossible for a human to exist without contributing to greenhouse gasses.
    :fart::fart:

    Unfortunately virtually all activists see a "solution" only from their point of view.
    • Vegans would see everyone not eat meat, as meat production adds to methane. :fart:
    • City dwellers point to their "urban islands" as the solution because they don't need to own vehicles for work transportation.
    • EV owners tout their vehicles as having no emissions. While true if powered by wind/solar/hydro, they fail to take production emmissions into account.
    I could go on, without a doubt, but I'm a bit tired from contributing to greenhouse gasses by spending 3 hours on the riding mower, so that my lawn is aesthetically pleasing.
    :tractor:
    :doh:

    Sorry for the detour my northern neighbors.
    o_O

    We now return to Governmental rants and corporate control over said Governments.

    You are not alone my friends.
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  5. Chaz

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    :rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol::rofl: :lol:

    Timberdog if I had known you were working on that post, I'd have saved some bits and bytes.
    :rofl: :lol:
     
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  7. Chaz

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    Very true, my only caveat was/is that burning wood that would otherwise go to waste through rot, is much more "neutral" than removing a living tree.

    Opening up the canopy for smaller, less mature trees is beneficial.

    As a wood burner, and someone who has, and will purchase log loads, it would be completely hypocritical of me to state that I feel that removing a healthy tree is better than salvaging wood that would otherwise be wasted.

    That being said, I still would rather burn wood than fuel oil. Primarily due to cost. But I do feel that it is indeed a better use of resources.
     
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  8. mike bayerl

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    Right on there. Sounds like we are both on the same page. Right now, I've got a couple dozen dead standing chestnut oaks. It will take me several years to harvest them for their btu's. Of course, I would not cut my living mature trees with these available.
     
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    I just burn wood ‘cuz I like it. I like the look of coals, I like the toasty, radiant heat. I like the smell. I like the whole ambiance. The fact that it costs a lot less and I get good exercise and enjoy the whole wood processing/seasoning experience is icing on the cake.
     
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    All of the above, plus I like living my life by providing as much of the items I need as our forefathers did. That includes growing and processing for storage our garden bounty. It helps that the wood is free.
     
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  11. blacksmithden

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    Amen brother. That's my exact situation as well. I also like knowing that if the power goes out or the furnace dies, it's no big deal. My backup plan has 2 moving parts and zero electronics. :)
     
  12. Suburban wood snob

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    Rotting may actually be worse as it creates methane...this is an even stronger green house gas. There's a lot to the science... Even the change in albedo from removing the tree and or the dark deposits caused by ash. I agree with the poster above on how the recent forest fires in Canada make chimney emissions meaningless.
     
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    I'm surprised by that 18% number. It would make sense if it meant that 18% of homes are equipped with wood burning equipment, from a furnace to a fireplace. But I can't see it as the primary source of heat in 18% of households.

    What I'm not surprised by is a Government looking to tax people.
     
  14. Oldman47

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    Wood burning is carbon neutral without needing to refer to rotting wood. When I was planting my wood lot I could easily carry 250 trees under one arm. Today they are about 8 inches DBH and if I turn them into firewood I am just recovering all of the carbon they put away in the tree tops. They also leave some of that carbon that they sequestered in the form of roots in the ground, which is semi-permanent storage for those hundreds of pounds of carbon per tree. The destruction caused by EAB has seen to it that one way or another the tops of many of those trees will be returned to the carbon cycle. Of the 10,000 (+/-) trees that I planted, about 10% were ash.
     
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    Canadian government being interested in the who/what/why's of wood burning and burners reminds me of the illegalities of collecting rainwater. It's all within the same mindset. Alex Jones had a good piece on wood burning a while back, but good luck finding that on YouTube now that he's deplatformed/banned.
     
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    Yay for giant, suffocating government! People who think the government is going to craft them a Utopia...what color is the sky in your world?
     
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    Wow, you look like my brother!
     
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    The ash itself is about 40% carbon... Well calcium carbonate anyway.

    Regarding the methane... It's real. And it's part of the natural breakdown of the wood . But it's still methane...
     
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    Ahh I do believe there is more methane created in politicians chambers than anywhere i do believe they are full of it and they are happy when you are forced to deal with it:wacky:
     
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    :fart: Ah yes politicians :fart: :emptywallet:
     
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