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Building a wood shed hoop house?

Discussion in 'The Wood Pile' started by Pallet Pete, Jan 26, 2014.

  1. raybonz

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    I'm a licensed electrician too BTW.. I will defer the roofing questions to the experts though.. Thinking you could though if you strip off roof shingles then add ice and water flashing then reshingle it after adding your roof board..

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  2. BrianK

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    I found this:

    Snow Damaged, Hoop House, Greenhouse, High Tunnel.
    April 28, 2013

    A lot of our members want greenhouses, even though you can easily do the Backyard Nursery Business with one. I don’t have one. Had one, took it down. Everything I do is without a greenhouse. If I were to do 30,000 or 50,000 Rhododendron cuttings each year for that I’d build a greenhouse. Everything else does fine without one.


    So anyway, they often make structures out of PVC pipe or cattle panels bent over in a hoop shape. All of that is fine, but those who live in snow country like I do have no idea what it really takes to keep snow from crushing your greenhouse, hoop house, or high tunnel structure.
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    Snow Damaged Hoop House

    Recently I was visiting nursery here in Ohio when this sight caught my eye. I’ve seen situations like this before but never had photos to show people. The owner of the nursery gave me permission to share these photos online. this hoop house was covered with plastic and Heated when this collapse happened. Yes, it was heated!

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    Snow Damaged Hoop House

    The pipes that this house was made off are one inch in diameter, steel pipe. Most people think that snow can’t possibly bring them down like this.

    I’ve seen this happen before and usually when it happens dozens of houses all collapse on the same night. And they always look like this. What often happens is the plastic will usually stay pretty clear of snow, the snow slides right off. But if you get an unusual combination of winter weather events like freezing rain that clings to the plastic, then more snow that won’t slide off because the rain frozen to the plastic creates a rough surface that keeps the snow from sliding, then more snow or rain and all of a sudden it all comes crashing down.

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    Snow Damaged Hoop House



    If you have house like this that you are using as a greenhouse and have it heated and full of valuable plants that are leafed out and actively growing, not only do you lose your hoop house. But you can also loose tens of thousands of dollars worth of plants because the plastic tears and everything inside freezes.

    That’s just one of the reasons that I don’t have a greenhouse. One less thing for me to worry about.

    So anyway, if you live in snow country, don’t underestimate the power of Mother Nature.
     
  3. bogydave

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    I think it would be a great wood drying kiln, (be well over 100° in there all summer)
    Completely cover it with clear plastic thru the summer
    Add a 20" box fan to move air. cut a vent at the top.
    Size the vent so the
    fan (on low) would keep a little pressure inside to help if the wind blows.
    Sunny days it would get to near 140° & accelerate the wood drying.
    Then you'd have dry wood lots sooner.

    Pull the plastic in late Fall & top cover the stack.
     
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  4. Backwoods Savage

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    Pete, I'm with most of the guys here. If it is small like the one pictured in the video it should shed snow easily but if any wider, I would not advise at all. And like the others, my biggest concern would be the wind. Even in your back yard you will get some swirling wind and that could topple it.

    Do you still have the metal shed? Have you considered a carport? You can get one for $795 and that includes setting it up.
     
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    We had a greenhouse made with wooden hoops. it was made from 3 laminated 1/4" by 2" strips bent around a jig with a 2" x 4" spacer and then 3 more laminated strips. It was quite strong. How thick are the pallet strips?

    We ended up using the half hoops for scaffolding when we redid our front windows. You can see them in the picture. Picture was taken before scrubbing and painting the siding and replacing the windows. It started off as a shelter for the dogs in nasty weather when they went out to do their business then Campinspecter got the idea to use it as scaffolding. worked really well.

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    I have decided not to use a hoop house. I'll probably end up using pallets due to the ready supply and cheap cost. I think it would work but would need support and I'm looking for cheap so it's a no go.

    Yup the shed is still standing strong it has had 16" of wet snow and didn't budge at all. It is far stronger than it looks for sure! I think it has everything to do with how much time and accuracy you use when putting it up. I made a dead level base for it so the shed should be good for a long time.
     
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    It would be a wise idea to pull that snow off... at least as much as possible.
     
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    I like the idea of the hoop house. I have seen several of them collapsed by snow, but these alway seem to be the big boys. Those covered ones intended for small storage seems to survive nicely. There is one up the road from me that has been there about 5 years and it looks the same as it first did. I have a small one for plants. I take the cover off in the winter. A it a cheap way for protecting against the elements. I didn't notice any center supports in theses. Seems it would provide some reasonable protection.
     
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    Around here that style of wooden hoops is popular a temporary shelter for working on boats. They seem to hold up well. The 'bow roof - gothic arch' seems to shed snow well.[​IMG]

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    Which shed is that? Is there a thread on this somewhere?
     
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    Im not sure if he has a thread on here about it or if it was another location but its his woodshed basically throw some pallets on the ground put up some 4x4s and throw a roof on it. Very simple affordable and efficient. Well have to try and get him to put his build thread up here for it.
     
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    Wood-port
    or
    roof over wood
    or some say
    wood shed. :)

    Buried concrete pier blocks for the 4x4 posts.
    48' long, built in 3 sections, each sections hold 7 cord +/-
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    Thanks
    I added that after the fact.
    It made room for one more row of wood.
    Saw other shed roofs like it , it looks better IMO

    I want to add more overhang in the back, drips splash on the lower splits in the back.
    Maybe 24", enough for another row.
    Scab on some 4' 2x4s to the trusses, let them stick out 2'. 1/2 sheets of plywood, some roofing.
     
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    Probably cheaper to put an eaves trough instead.
     
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    I have a greenhouse with the twin-wall polycarbonate panels. The manufacturer recommends temporary additional snow supports for the panels. I add them every Winter. If you don't add snow supports to hoop houses they collapse.
    Rather simple physics actually.
     
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    Convertible,,Tarps up in summer, down in winter. It gets so hot in there during summer months a body can't breath.
    I have installed a barn metal roof over 2x4 purlins since these pics and plan to install perforated barn metal on the walls, one of these daze..
     

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    I've built this a couple hundred bucks at a time as money allows. Started with a 4 foot center for the roof with the tarp and just installed 2x4 "post" inside last winter.
    No "post" needed inside this winter since finishing the roof on a 2 foot center and installing 2x4 purlins and metal roof.
    Perforated barn metal is new to me. I was asking the metal shop how to vent metal walls and he showed me a sample of the perforated stuff,,VERY nice..and expensive. o_O !
    I'm gonna' gamble on a foot or two along the bottom edge of the walls with perforated metal and solid metal to finish it up..again a couple hundred clams at a time..
    Thanks for lookin'. Peace.
     

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    Let's see a picture of that ugly dog!:D

    Gary
     
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    100_0046.JPG LOL,,and she aint none too smart, either,,