I understand. Cliff, the owner, is hard to understand sometimes. I left a message and they called back in about 10 minutes, I talked to Cason, young guy, but nice and answered my questions. I called EA, gave them the whole list of everything I needed...grapple, forks, 3rd function valve kit, QA adapter plate for tractor. Wouldn't budge on the price of anything. Anyway, glad you have a grapple coming. A short tine works better for root raking, long time is great for brush piles and such.