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Bluetti AC500 w/B300K battery for our home backup/supplement system install and review

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    I currently have 2 540w bifacial panels. Both mounted on angle mounts facing south. One is angled at 22º and the other is at 34º. I need to get both angled the same now that they are in series.
     
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    Boomer rolled through yesterday with crazy winds. Trees and wires down all over. Lost power for about an hour during the storm and 2 more times after it passed. Was nice not having to drag the genny out barely get it set up to have power return. And then go out again(2x more). Hardly knew we lost power except for a few things didn't work.

    I'll be swapping a few more circuits over to it now that we've missed a few things while power was out. Had to grab an extension cord from a backed up circuit for the fish tank over to the microwave and Keurig coffee maker. Probably put the well pump on it too.
     
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    Hey Jay, how is this going?

    Slowly doing something similar.
     
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    OK so far. Still need to put up a few more panels to catch more rays. Its the next thing on the todo list after I get the HHO tank pumped out and removed from the ground.

    I think we saved close to $15 last month. even with all the rain the sun is stronger when it does come out.
     
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    Waiting on the Fedex truck today, Ordered another B300K battery! :ups:

    Mainly because I've had to run at a lower state of charge than I'd like to capture the amount of solar with the panels I already have. It will only get worse once I put in the next 2 panels. It seems the 48V external batteries don't add their face value and you can only use approximately 1000 of the rated watts hours. Hard to explain, But adding 5120 51.2 volt battery doesn't actually add the face value of 5120 watt hours. Seems you need to run the voltage down lower than the Bluetti AC500/B300K cutoff voltage to get the added extra watt hours.

    The only way I can get the added 5120wh from that extra battery pack is if I switch them over to the solar in port(PV). And I have to let them run to their own cutoff voltage(approx 40 volts). With the AC500 cutoff voltage of 48.6 volts, The extra battery packs are still 70% charged??? Something I can't wrap the noggin around!!

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    New setup pic! Rearranged it to be less top heavy!! Nearly tipped it over trying to move it. More weight on the bottom helped much! Going to run it down from 70% to 10% to see how much extra umph was gained!

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    Huh, that seems weird on how the EB's behave, but I really don't have any experience with that. I usually prefer extra stations themselves instead of EB. But, I use mine differently than you do, so it makes sense for my circumstances (at least to me). I do have two EB's, that go on my River 3 stations. One of those Rivers (plus EB600) is currently running my computer/router/wifi (or used for backup if I have to plug into main power). I've been using solar as much as I can to run this set up by attaching a D3+ station to the River as its energy source.

    Twice in the last couple of weeks, we've had so much clouds and rain that I pulled one of the Bluetti AC180's out for running the River. It makes me really remember how constrained the solar input is when I have to try to charge the AC180 (and how frustrating the app is). However, it also reminded me how good their PV350 solar panel is

    In front is the Bluetti 350w panel and the AC180 is nestled behind it to protect from the sun and rain (when it wasn't one, it was the other). In the background are two 320w panels each hooked up to an input for the D2m (my kitchen appliance power source). I go out and adjust the angle to the sun every hour or so.

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    Two 220w bifacial panels charging a D3+ that is on the porch. Angle is not ideal, but I am constantly moving those around because of shade issues. The one on the far left moves the most as it starts out the day way over to the right (out of the picture) in the walkway between the stairs and the fence. It is easy to fold up and carry like that.
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    Was hoping to test today, But of course clouds and rain!

    The lower I run the power station, The more watt hours are gained from the EB's. From 1% to zero seemed to be where I gained the most. The Bluetti EB double the capacity I was getting from 70% to 10%. The the DIY EB's seemed to kick in. But only about a 1/3 face value. was going to do another charge and drain today, But mother nature said nope!

    The AC500 doesn't have time remaining or time to recharge like the AC200L. But the last drain down on the AC200L with 1 DIY EB the time to recharge with both the internal and EB connected was double what the internal battery would say. I do think I need to drain to zero before the DIY EB's capacity is applied to the system firmware. The 2 tests I did with the AC200L gained more each time on run down to cutoff. I'm trying the same on the AC500 after the next recharge. Hoping the case is true and I get a bit more capacity.

    Worse case is the DIY EB's stay in the system and then get connected to the PV on outages to extend the runtime. A good reserve in case of need I guess. At least they charge to full capacity when connected to the battery ports. No need for an auxiliary charger.
     
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    This is something I'm interested in a travel trailer/camping. How long are these "batteries" projected to last?
     
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    "Claimed" is 3500+ life cycles and 10 years. The ones I bought do have a 4 year warranty. Some of the other brands are claiming longer life cycles, I've seen 6K+. But they all seem to "claim" approx 10 years.
     
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    Not too shabby then.

    Not to derail this thread cause I feeling like this would be a good place to discuss my idea but if you prefer me to start a new thread, just say the words.

    Anyway, I have this 12'x6'x7' tall enclosed trailer that I'm thinking of making into a toy hauler/1 man living quarters. Would be nice to have some modern conveniences. Mainly a fridge/freezer as to not have to buy ice all the time.

    I'm kinda torn between 12v and 120v. Hopefully it'll be rare that I'm in a campground with a plug in. I'm kinda leaning 12v so that the vehicle can charge the batteries while traveling and on overcast days if need be.

    So with that point, I'm not sure a deep cycle battery or 2 might be the better option? Admittedly I haven't done much reading on the subject cause I'm not at that point of the build.

    I also know that electricity is created in AC current and then rectified to DC. So are these power stations you have more efficient in AC vs DC, assuming they have a DC option?
     
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    I'm OK with here. But it might be more beneficial for others with your own?? No worries if you decide here though. :)

    They do make chargers that connect to the vehicle that charge the units. Check out Bluetti's Charger one

    BLUETTI Charger 1

    It connects to the same port as the solar panels and charges while you drive. Auto off when the vehicle is turned off. AFAIK you need to swap the connectors to solar while stationary and then back to the charger one while on the road. The selling point is it scales up the voltage for faster charging of the internal batteries while still using 12v power(mainly alternator excess not used by the vehicle).

    Many go with the 12v fridge and just connect land power to the power station which will pass power through. But I really haven't a clue. Many many good forums within the power station brand you choose(ie Ecoflow-Anker-ect). This is one of the popular uses of these units. And like any other tips and trick vary per model/brand. There are also brand specific facebook groups where many tips about the said unit can be learned. I learned a bunch on Bluetti's FB group. and its also monitored by factory service reps that help out with issues. I joined these groups for Anker-Ecoflow-Bluetti ect) and research particular models I was interested in before I purchased trying to get the best bang for the buck.

    In my case Ecoflow had the features, But was too pricey for the model I was interested in. So I researched the next which was Ankers F3800 unit. But learned it had faults or disadvantages to what I intended for use. So I searched a bit more and found that the Bluetti ac300 or ac500 was a slightly better fit for "my" needs. But this will vary on what the users needs are. Best to really research and decide for your specific needs. You may find that a Ecoflow unit is in your price range and is the best fit ect. Another budget brand is Pecron and I do see many travels using them. Oupes brand is also a budget brand with lots of features.

    I will say that Ecoflow and Bluetti have the better phone apps. Anker's phone app was terrible IMHO. Pecrons app is basic but functions OK. Bluetti's has the history for tracking the Anker/pecron did not have. But again varies per model/unit/brand. Example: I know the app I use for the Bluetti AC500 and AC200L show history. But a friends AC180 does "not".
     
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    Jeffrey Svoboda I got some experience with this 30 years ago. Not with solar, as technology wasn’t good enough then. Start a new thread as I know a few hear have tow behind campers that accommodate this idea
     
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    Ecoflow has a 5 year warranty for their newer generation battery stations (I think from Gen 2 and newer - but it may be Gen 3 and newer). I think pretty much any LIFEPO4 batteries are supposed to have 10 years. Each manufacturer (Bluetti, Ecoflow, Anker, or less well known brands like my Oscal) brings different uses and features to the table. Probably all of them have FB user groups (both official and unofficial) that are helpful for questions and also to get a general sense for capabilities and most common user errors. Off-grid FB groups can also be good for help. EF and Bluetti both came out with Alternator Chargers about the same time last year. Bluetti had the upper hand in my mind, because they used attachments that would be useful for about any power station, while EF did not (they have recently put out a cable that does this). EF is supposed to allow more power to transfer to the station than Bluetti's - at least last I knew.

    Be aware that official user groups can be very different, although there have been changes in over just the last two years. It didn't used to be that every group would allow negative posts, but they seemed to have mostly gotten past that. Some Official groups, when a want/need was brought up for discussion would tell you that "you don't need that, it's good enough", and I think that kind of bit them so may at least take note (all Official groups that I am in have experts that are not neccessarily employees, but advocates that help out and may present suggestions to the next level.

    My AC180 has a basic app. You can't even tell how long it expects charging to take at the current input. My Oscal has no app - but it was one of the first small models that is still lead and has been discontinued, so I have no idea what they've done with their newer offerings. And the bluetooth range is horrible (like 15' at clear line of sight (to be fair, I haven't updated firmware, so that may have changed). EF has a better app for Gen 2 stations, with more general information and a super long range bluetooth (40+' and thru walls/windows etc), and Gen 3 stations have input history that shows power history. Some can be linked to your wifi, some can't - it is probably becoming more prevalent for newer generations.
     
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    Jeffrey Svoboda - if you start a new thread, it would be nice if you put it in the Hobbies and Interests :)
     
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    This test I ran the batteries down on the AC500 to 10%. then started tracking how much it going to take to fill to 100%. Basically trying to see how much I can actually store and use. And share the results. Test 2 I'll run it down to 0% or cutoff of the unit and then track the fill. 2 blah sun days as I usually see close to 4 KWH on a good sunny day. So off to a bumpy start.

    Test #1 for capacity(storage).
    2 B300K batteries(2764.8 x 2)= 5529.6 wh's
    2 48V DIY ext batteries(5120 x 2)= 10240 wh's

    15769.6 wh's total

    PV solar in(capture watts) to fill batteries.
    Day 1: 2.15 KWH or 2150 watts from 10% to 36% capacity
    Day 2: 1.19 KWH or 1190 watts from 36% to 57% capacity
    Day 3: 4.77 KWH or 1190 watts from 57% to 97% capacity
    Day : 0.73 KWH or 430 watts from 97% to 100% capacity

    Total of 8.84 KWH or 8840 watt hour's to 100%
     
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    This month has been super tough on solar production, compared to what it should be with all the dark clouds and rainy weather. going by the average production so far this month, and by the long range forecast having no reason to believe that it will get better, this will be the worst May production for my rooftop solar by around 160kwh and a whopping 245 kwh less than my best May.
     
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    Test one is complete. 8.8kwh total storage from the 15+ kwh batteries. Test 2 will be here when we get another batch of rain to come through. Hoping to gain a bit more storage when I do draw the batteries down to the 0% or cutoff of the power station.
     
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    So much rain this month not a lot of savings! I guess some is better than nada! :)

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    Even though its sunny out today, Ain't getting chit for solar. Between the pollen collection on the panels and smoke haze is my guess. Going to hit HD up for a long stick and a scrunge/squeegee thingy to clean the panels!!

    High noon bright sun and not zilch for solar gathered!! :picard: