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Picked up an Englander NC30 today...

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Marvin, Dec 9, 2018.

  1. Marvin

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    Thank you sir :salute: I'm looking forward to learning it.
     
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    Thanks Chaz! I'm hoping this one works out :yes:
     
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    That's what I'm hoping! With the other srtove, every time I would think I had it figured out it would take off on me. Hope this one goes better.
     
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    Thanks wildwest! I hope you get your washing machine figured out. The one thing that worries me with new appliances is all the bells and whistles they're throwing on them now. I dont need my refrigerator to hook up to my wifi to talk to my dishwasher :picard:

    I'm glad these stoves aren't there.........yet
     
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    Regarding overfiring, Englander does not give a temperature, they say that you should not have any part of the stove glowing. In this forum, that is generally interpreted as any part other than the tubes, they will glow a little at times.
     
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    And steel doesn't start glowing (barely) until 900-950*F, somewhere in there. Depends on the lighting too...
     
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    That's good info but I hope I dont get it that hot :hair:
     
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    I run the stove hard. Bring it to 700 ASAP and hold it there as long as possible until I can load more fuel. It pops up to 750 regularly.

    The hot spot is center of the stove top right on the little step up. Good thing because a thermometer here can be read from across the room.

    Like most plate steel manufacturers, englander does not specify a maximum temperature. No external parts should glow.
     
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    Regarding the break-in fires, I would not sweat it too much. When the one you got goes out, let it cool down, and then light another a little hotter, and let it cool down again. Then just go with it.

    Each time it hits a new high temp, it will stink a little for a while. But it isn't that bad, and will go away. When the paint is curing, it will be sticky and soft, so don't do anything that might scratch or stain it while cooking it. I had some dust on mine, and thought it would be a good idea to get a damp rag and wipe it off while it was in the soft state, and left some stains on it from smearing the dust across. But they went away, stains eventually cook to black.

    For the stovepipe joint, the first year I ran it with the adaptor just set into the opening. It worked fine. The 2nd year I put it in with Rutland high temp cement. I assume it is still there, I haven't taken it apart since.

    I have a stovetop thermometer, and a stack thermometer. Of the two, the stack thermometer is more useful to me, I would not even replace the stovetop thermometer if it ever failed.

    You will find the 30 to be very controllable, to the point where you will extinguish most fires if you push the draft control all the way in all at once.

    I run it almost as if there are 3 draft settings: Lighting - draft full open and door ajar, High - draft full open, and Normal - draft half closed (about at the lip of the ask tray). From the half closed position, you can make very small adjustments to get the fire where you want it.

    Don't expect the 30 to excel at low and slow, it prefers to run. But you can get an all night burn. When it is really cold (negative numbers), I load it up, get it flaming strongly, and work the draft in from 1/2 until there is just a touch of primary burn, with strong secondaries. I don't extinguish the primary burn, because in most cases the secondaries will eventually go out as well. If you get it right, it will still be burning (coals) in the morning, and the house will be toasty, but it is time to reload. That is with our softwoods, you may get longer burns with hardwoods.

    BTW, you WILL eventually decide to upgrade the blower, the bigger one blows much more air at half the noise. Worth every penny.

    It is great stove if you have high heating demands. I hope you like yours as much as we like ours.
     
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    DexterDay runs his hot in his basement
     
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    Same here, and I believe papadave has said the same for his stove.
     
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    Yep, that is what an all night load looks like. :dex:

    On mine, the draft in will be set about 3/4 closed for that load and a burn like the 2nd photo. Very small movements of the draft control make large changes when less than 1/2 open.
     
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    Found one of DexterDay 's videos of his nc30 he has a couple more on YouTube
    He shows his thermometers in this


     
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    We have ignition!
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    Didn't load it up a lot considering this is the first real burn and it's late. I wanna be able to load it before work. I've already noticed a HUGE improvement on control. Also, I understand how some here talk about loading the stove in the morning and getting a cup of coffee before starting to set the air. That never made sense to me cause if I would have let the air wide open on the Osburn for more than 5-10 minutes I would have had 900* flue temps. This stove has a much much more controlled rise in flue temp. So far I'm liking it but its obviously still early in my experience with it.
     
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    nice, enjoy the heat!
     
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    Wait till you get to stretch it’s legs out and let it cruise out on the interstate... get a thermal gun and learn your stove. The fire inside burn pattern, the smells, and the second magnet thermal gauge ( first holds up the second :rofl: :lol:). The thermal gun just verifies where I’m at... 650 to 700 is a good heat producer temperature... 750 to 800 I put the fan on high and shut down the air for a bit... the secondary’s really get rolling... but take it easy and learn the little quirks of it...
     
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    Awesome! Can't wait to hear how it works out for you :dex:
     
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    Congrats Marvin, great looking stove!!
     
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