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Whole house standby generator

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  1. FarmerJ

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    I’d look at splitting the load entirely.

    shop has its own generator, house has its own generator. I wasn’t sure you were on your own well, but yes, those pumps can be a huge load. Almost needing their own unit. Sits there and purrs at idle when it’s not needed, then steps up when the power kicks in.

    mod you run electric water heater, consider a high efficiency vented unit and a larger size. When my ex wife and I updated the unit in our first house, that one change was a 30% reduction in our electric bill. The gas bill I think when up less that $5 per month.

    being undersized can be damaging to electronic, but being oversized can also be damaging to the generator. Why I ask would it be better to split and use multiple systems.
     
  2. Canadian border VT

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    2 reasons I can think of
    well pumps and women; especially teenage girls
    Having lived without power on generators for over 3 weeks


    My beautiful wife stated showering by candlelight loses all romantic qualities after 3 days
     
  3. billb3

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    Really mindful isn't that hard.
     
  4. TurboDiesel

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    A friend of mine was a retired electrician. He charged 10k installed (a few years ago). Id guess it would be 11k now if he was still alive.
    And yes, that sounds expensive, but its good to pay for experience ans knowledge when it comes to your main power service.
     
  5. Brian72

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    I had a 22kw generac installed last year. It cost me around $8,300. That includes auto transfer switch, concrete pad, propane tank and installation. We had to go that big to run our heat pump. If you can afford it, you definitely won't regret it. I don't have to do anything but check the gas level in my tank. Everything is automatic. The power goes out and the generator kicks on and takes over.



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  6. Horkn

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    Yes, daily on this one. These out of staters, BP exec from Houston Northwood WI vacation home jack wagons, built their bigass home as close to the property line as they could to my parents cottage, and have the exhaust pipe from this generator as close as possible to our place. They spared no expense on anything else, except this cheap loud AF generator.

    It's less of an issue now, since mom sold the cottage and we have the lot across the street, but you still can hear it in the camper. Whoever bought the cottage is guaranteed to be complaining about that generator now. Those people with the generator aren't even at that house much, and only about like 2 months of the year in summer.
     
  7. eatonpcat

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    The guy at the plumbing store asked me if I was trying to drain Lake Erie...I said kinda!! Lol
     
  8. Horkn

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    This must be the case. Set daily is the "pizz your neighborhood off mode" with the neighbors up north, this is par for the course. With pretty much everything they do, it's at zero regard to anyone but themselves.
     
  9. Horkn

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    I lived in semi rural Maine for a year. Just outside of Bethel. Of my adult life, I still have never had as many power outages or hours of power outages in total living in Wisconsin, than I have had in that time I lived in Maine. Granite rock base and lots of trees mean overhead power and not run underground in Maine. Also, there's a lot of ice storms in Maine. Iced trees break and fall on the wires.
     
  10. Screwloose

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    A week long interval is imo the best for exercising.
    I believe that it was CAT that said a week is the limit before you are in the "dry start" category.
    I feel anything more is needless wear.
    Battery should be automatically maintained by mains power so running doesn't help the battery any.
    As a side note if you have a brush type generator (better than brushless) the occasional run keeps things clean.
     
  11. clemsonfor

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    Without saying who i work for I will just say stuff like that doesn't matter, we blow so much money.
     
  12. Gary_602z

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    Put in a 14kw Kohler a couple of years ago for 7500.00 installed.
    It may pay to tell your LP company that you have a generator.
    I told mine and they put on a wireless gizmo that relays the tank level once every 24 hours to them and I can monitor it on an app also.
    If they detect larger usage they will automatically fill me up.

    Gary
     
  13. Ward Hoarder

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    Transfer switch for our house. Simple, cheap and works. We turn off the red breakers and our 7000w generator will run everything in our panel box. Powers all essential appliances.
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    All the gensets I've been around start up weekly
     
  15. yooperdave

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    I can't begin to tell you just how many of those "up north" homes I've worked on in the past. :picard:



    Fits the description of the two drunk SOB's that used to live next to my cottage. The day I saw a for sale sign on their driveway, I hollered like homer simpson!

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  16. yooperdave

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    The circuits That will be on the transfer switch are

    furnace

    well pump (120v) (and water treatment ....... same circuit IIRC)

    fridge outlet

    freezer outlet

    some lights/some outlets

    water heater ..... this will be turned off and on manually on a as needed basis during extended outages

    There is no way to isolate the garage door openers as the garage is on a sub panel from the house....but there is nothing drawing elec from the garage until we use the opener or lights or.... gonna have to look at that a little closer when the time comes.

    I think the entire house was wired with 12/2 so there are no 15 amp circuits. Many of the manual transfer switches have 15 amp circuits in them so I'll have to dig a bit deeper than what I did so far.
     
  17. TurboDiesel

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    RV gennies are two legs of 110. (Not 220)
    :handshake:
     
  18. Screwloose

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    2 legs of 110 is 220.
     
  19. TurboDiesel

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    No sir. Two legs of 110 from a onan 5500 rv genny will give you about 60 amps of 110. (30amps per leg). Rv gennies cannot run a 220 appliance.:handshake: (unless your talking about a 10-12.5kw. But thats not your "typical" rv genny)

    An RV outlet is "220" but the rv cannot/does not use 220.
    The ac units are 110. The water heater is 110. There are no 2-pole breakers in an rv. The genny (onan 5500) has two 110 breakers on it.
     
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  20. Screwloose

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    You are correct that the RV doesn't use 220v but If the 2 110v outlets are on different phases then
    between them you will get 220v
    A breaker for each phase is quite common for generators and when using 220 either breaker will open the circuit.
    It depends on where the stator is tapped.
    Take a meter and see what you get across both 110 circuits.
    A lot of capabilities aren't on the tag although I have seen onan emeralds with 110/220 on the tag.
    For instance did you know that the alternator in your vehicle is actually 3 phase?