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basement installation: through foundation wall vs. up and through trusses

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by intonativefishes, Jun 22, 2020.

  1. brenndatomu

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    I should have specified a bit better...there are 2 types...the first is insulated with a 1" thick ceramic blanket inside, and is the preferred chimney for wood burning...the second is called triple wall and just has (2) 1" air gaps to "insulate" it...it works, but the flue runs cooler so it does not draft as well and does not stay as clean as long. The triple wall is also at least 2" larger in diameter, and costs more to boot...they both have the same 2" CTC...
     
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    Get the SS insulated system. As said, we've self installed 3 of them ( Selkirk Metalbestos, though some installers prefer another brand for quality ) over the years. The 2 Selkirks have been up for 20 years without any problems.
    The triple pipe is not as reliable or well made as he says.
     
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    Welcome to FHC intonativefishes. You'll like it here. We like dogs, beer and pics. Lots of pics. A lot of great people here who are willing to share their knowledge.
     
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    I have installed 3 chimneys now using Supervent, which is made by Selkirk...I have been happy with it. Can't beat the price on Supervent if you live where there is a Menards! The last one I did was straight up through the roof, something like $650 total for everything from the stove to the chimney cap (was on sale) and that was with buying some optional parts (for an extra layer of air sealing and insulation value)
     
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    I've taken your good advice and done some more research, and talked to the foundation contractor. Two FYI points: 1) This will be a fully finished basement, 2) I live in AL, so although we get occasional cold snaps (teens every year, single digits every few years, below zero very rarely), extended, brutal cold periods are very, very rare, and so the basement stove in an insulated, finished basement should be effective. I have definitely decided now to exit the basement wood stove through the wall behind the stove. The contractor said he can mold the foundation wall right around the exit stovepipe when building the wall if I have the hardware ready for him.
    As far as the upstairs fireplace, that Napoleon NZ3000 looks nice. Because this is the main floor great room, I'm willing to pay a bit more for the view of the fire. I was also recommended by a friend to look at the Acucraft Unity 36, which also provides the fireplace view while having good heat numbers. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge or opinions (get your popcorn ready, Stuckinthemuck!) of the Acucraft line, and any other similar units I could check out? The Acucraft does take a 12" chimney. Don't know if that's a plus, minus, or neither.
    Have been looking at the Vermont Castings Encore for the basement. My first preference is a top load stove, but I am open to suggestions for good alternatives, especially when considering price. I am generally a "value" shopper: don't have to have the best, but don't want cheap junk, either. Looking for functionality, decent looks, and best bang for buck. When I read reviews that talk about being difficult to clean ashes, or smoke continually filling the room when loading a certain model front load stove, I move on. Thanks again!
     
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    Just say "NO" to any recent Vermont Castings stove.
    Look at reviews, my experience with two ( 2 ) "new and improved" Flexburn Encores, and the company's recent products.
    Though we had used top loads ( older VC s) for years, there are better top loads out there. Front or side loading is as practical.
    Only good: the VC stoves are so pretty.
     
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    What's your opinion of a Jotul F3 or Quadra-Fire 4300?
     
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    VC is not cheap, but is junk.
    Never heard of Acucraft...but the fact that it takes a 12" chimney tells me it is basically a prefab fireplace...probably not the most efficient thing...and 12" chimney is gonna be spendy! :makeitrain"
    I wouldn't...just have him install a thimble through the wall...if he pours the pipe into the wall and it ever needs to be replaced for some reason, you are screwed.
    Some stoves are more susceptible than others, but smoke rollout while reloading is often the function (or the lack of) the chimney...a properly designed system should not do this. A straight up through the house chimney would be the best to prevent rollout...but if you are going out through the wall, then the best setup there is to use (2) 45* elbows up to the chimney connection...and double wall stove pipe.
    A basement location, exterior chimney, and 90* elbows adds up to a higher chance of having smoke rollout issues...with any stove...but again, some more than others. Stoves with large doors, especially if they are place high in the firebox, will be the worst offenders in regard to this.
    Drolet is a good "value" brand...good stoves, and customer service too. Made in Canada...
     
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    Any Blaze King, Woodstock, or Jotul . High QC, fine products, excellent rep for post sale support. See the stoves you want in use.
    There are others that are similar.
    It's what I do when scouting out a med specialist ( never VA ): ask questions, look at their CV, speak to their patients.
    Due diligence.
    Value not cost is why most of us use Husky or Stihl.
     
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    Well this may interest you then...pull up a chair...and a snack...maybe a pillow, certainly a good beverage... :) ;)
    Courtesy of our fearless FHC leader...
    The Napoleon NZ3000 Build Thread
     
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    Man, that is unreal!!! FANTASTIC work! But my construction loan and builder's risk insurance are only good for a year! Ha! :)
     
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    I've decided on the new model (2020 EPA approved) Napoleon NZ3000H. I love that forced air central system (as shown on the video of installation, and in product brochures). So much so that I've decided I don't even need the basement stove, and will have much more room for a home theater and rec area there. Starting to get quotes on stove and materials. Question: Does anyone have experience doing business with, or hae an opinion, of Obadiah's in MT? Thx!
     
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    The owner was a member here under the name of Woody Chain but hasn’t been seen in about 2.5 years... from what I understand he had good reviews...

    referenced in this thread, with the post from Scotty Overkill

    Pour in insulation
     
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