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Getting water from here to there?

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  1. Rowerwet

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    Archamedies screw pump powered by electricity / windmill
     
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    Well that's interesting...

    Yes, you measure from the water level down to where the hose/pipe discharges. Bringing it up 3' and then down an extra 3' just cancels itself out.
     
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    Spot on.
    That's the thing about psi. Doing this will change the si, but not the p. Only way to change the p is by adding vertical drop
     
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    Elevation starts at the top of your water level in the well. Doesn't matter how high you siphon before you begin the fall
     
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    This is roughly it. Dry fit, need to take some measurements.

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    I'd run the down pipe to well longer depending on how fast it perks you will lose the siphon and have to reprime each time you use it
     
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    That's exactly what I think keeps happening basod! I only have room to go down maybe another foot- shallow well. Will this help? The above picture is a rough design, below is the unit all glued up. I keep getting about a gallon, then lose it. Connections look good, the water level vs the elevation drop maybe? I'm done screwing with it tonight. Was hoping for a bit more pressure and for it not to lose siphon on me.



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    That's not a spring check is it? Siphon won't open a spring check unless you have a lot more fall than you have there
     
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    I would guess that the spigot is too small to hold the siphon.
    It can't pass enough water to maintain the pressure.
    Just a SWAG though.

    What happens if you take the spigot out and just let the
    2" pipe pull the water....to test.

    I thought you needed the check valve right on the end of the pickup.
     
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    As long as its below the water line during priming it will be fine.
    The PVC check valve that is in stock at our local Lowes, and looks like the one you used there, is a spring check...I think that's the issue, the flapper type sump pump check valve that they used in that video earlier is pretty much ideal for this application.
     
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    I believe it's a spring check then, i got it at Lowes. I will research the one in the video. I'd like to get this running. With a different check valve, will the pressure possibly increase more? Doubtful i know! There is a spring further up, but I would have to run a chit ton of hose.
     
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    Shop ProPlumber Plastic Check Valve at Lowes.com
    This one is a flapper type...should work.
    How much further up is the other well/spring? 1-200' of garden hose may be worth it if there is a big difference in elevation...if you really want good pressure...
     
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    Also, the cap that you take off to prime needs to be air tight once re-installed...any air leak will cause loss of prime. A coat of pipe dope on the threads (if its threaded) should be enough to seal it up without having to crank it too crazy tight...
     
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    I do have Teflon tape on it

    If I cannot get this current setup running efficiently, ill go that route. The spring I was planning on running for goats next year. The elevation is probably 20' ish. Probably around 200ft of hose.
     
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    See if you can add elevation to the pipe as well. take it up a couple more feet above the well after you get the check valve. It should add more pressure.
     
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    The extra height would give more pressure, except it takes more "suction" to get it up the extra height...so they just cancel each other out.
     
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    Stop making sense it’s hurting my head!:rofl: :lol:
     
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    Sorry...:emb:
     
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    You know a pressure expansion tank would be the ticket.
     
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