Madison Door Gasket

Well, to be fair, apparently the wording was misleading, or at least vague, because I thought you wanted a whole new stove too...

 

Yeah, misleading....vague...good descriptions!

And now I guess you can add name calling to the list too.......isn't that against the rules of the forum here?? I think my feelings are hurt!

Haven't members already been banned for that?

 

I took measurements of the door and sent them to ESW. I was thinking about the door from an engineering point of view. We have a unit that is composed of different materials, mainly cast iron and ceramic glass. The unit is subjected to heat so it will be expanding. Since we have different materials, we have to think about the coefficient of expansion for these different materials. As the door heats up, the opening in the door for the glass gets larger. The glass also gets larger; for most materials there is an increase is size with increase in temperature. However, if the cast iron expands faster than the glass, then the opening for the glass can get too large for the size of the glass. Also, the four small retainer tabs for the glass are screwed in place, so they are being moved away from the glass as the door opening increases in size and they were just barely making contact with the edge of the glass. Of course if the glass expands greater than the door opening, then one need to provide room to prevent the glass from cracking. I don't know which is greater, the cast iron or the ceramic glass and of course this is just a mental exercise of what could be happening to cause my glass to become loose.

Having examined the door, what I think needs to be done is that the area where the glass sits need to be a bit larger and a slightly larger glass used so that the retainer tabs can make better contact with the glass and still not be viewable. It is not a minor issue for ESW because the glass becoming loose means that the damper system is no longer controlling the air through the stove; or at least not completely controlling the air through the stove.

 

This is an update from ESW. They are going to send a new door unit and I am going to send the old door unit back to them for testing so they can try to figure out what happened.

 

New door arrived yesterday. I installed it today and the old one is in the box to be sent back to ESW for them to inspect. I guess I will find out over time if the glass becomes loose in this door. I did noticed that I can open the new door 180 degrees; the old door would only open around 90 degrees.

 

Very cool that is quite an expense for the company. Those can't be cheap to ship either. Hope it works perfectly for you.

 

Kimberly , did you do your own inspection on the old one before gettin' all packaged up? A little comparison would have been in order here at ole' PD's place.
Here's hoping the new one takes care of the problem.

 

No, and that is a good idea. The box is not sealed up yet so I will do as you suggest. I still think it is the glass retainer tabs and I mentioned that to the ESW rep. As I said in an earlier comment, I think as the cast iron door expanded it pulled the clips away from the glass and then the glass fell inward. I really think the changes in the way the glass is retained in the door is the issue and ESW should go to a different system similar to what is on the 30-NC.

 

ESW is a good company. I have no idea on the shipping cost and they included a returned shipping label for me to use. I think companies can negotiate better rates from UPS if they do a lot of shipping. It is like the presorted mail; there is a reason that companies can afford to ship catalogues like there is no tomorrow, they are not paying the same rate as you and I .

 

Heck yeah, pull that puppy outta there and give it a few once overs.
See if the bosses are in a different position or maybe the tabs are different size. Something's gotta' be different, one would think, eh?

 

Do a video so we can see details lol

 

At least take pictures of both

 

Here it is Wednesday; no pix, and no update.

Probably be March until we see something typed about this................

 

I don't know, maybe because I am one person with enough work for at least five. I was going to send the door off and then some asked for photos and I haven't took them yet. The new door is on the stove and the old door is packed away and I promised ESW I would send it back ASAP. So that means unpacking the old door and I am not taking the new door off to try and get photos and it is dark in the lounge so I don't know how well it will turn out. However, if it bothers you that much, drive on down and give me a hand and we will get it done.

 

OK, the wait is over. Considering the concern by MightyWhitey I made the effort to get some photos. Nothing to see really; it is just like the old one. I think ESW needs to rethink the glass retention system on the Madison but that is their call. I decided that a long metal bar with two tabs is what I would like to see here but I don't have the facilities to make such a thing and I am sure a metal shop would want more than a few dollars to fabricate them for me. Something more along the lines of the 30-NC. I will keep a watch during the burning season to see if the glass becomes loose on the new door; which is a great possibility considering nothing is different with this new door. I will pass along to ESW my thoughts; outlined above, on what happened. The last photo is the old door but there are photos in this thread of the old door as well.

 

Hey that's a door. Now that I read with what seemed like a post title review was needed, Im wondering about the old door hinges? Perhaps your old door had some kind of flaw on the hinges that would likely rub against the hinge on the stove? Small metal pieces on the door that might have gotten painted over? I'm posing that even a simple look doesn't really cut it and a bit of seeing in a nook can make a lot of difference.

I've had different things not work on me with shutting as something was in the way. Id be looking for a clean shut after finishing a project that plain wore me out. Taken a break and came back to finding that a pinch spot was not allowing my garage door to shut. Required a bit more work to enable a better fit. Either way hearing you have a 180° opening door sounds good now.

 

I think you are correct on the opening. The door was free to move up to about 90* but then would get tight and not want to move. I didn't think of taking the door off to look for a bit of casting flack; uh, I don't think that is the correct turn. Anyway, it may have need a bit of file work and would have been fine.

 

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