The factories dont port the saws because ...............

No idea?? But the factory has to make money and so does the dealer as MM said. $250 off in cash you dealer is just turning money over and not making anything. I'm sure thats the profit margin. At that point there just selling you a saw as a friend!!

 

They also cost a lot more on that side of the pond. I'm sure that the dealers & manufacturers are making plenty.

 

They give a bar and chain gift for buying the 170 , so 50 euros gift for a 200 euros saw , i dont know if the 170 cost only 50 euros to the factory ............ lets say
and the 661 ........ 200 again lets say and maybe the ES bar 20'' about 25 ..........

 

I was the first that order the 661 in my country then the problem starts ( recalls or something ) the distributor offer 50% down.......... if i buy the 660.
how much this distributor loves me he save me a ton of money

 

And finally the recall was another trick between distributors and stihl , who understand understand

 

Why is porting necessary? | Firewood Hoarders Club

I think it is likely a question of emissions, and perhaps durability.

 

The biggest issue is the quality of gasoline. All 2 strokes are like this, whether it's in a saw, snowmobile, dirt bike, quad, outboard, etc.

 

There are several good responses here. Pretty much everything we own with a combustion engine is restricted purposely. Emissions is becoming a major part of it, but warranty, brand rep, and the engineering likely combine to produce the restrictions.

Almost every guy on here knows how to properly mix gas and oil, but many do not. The dealers/manufacturers need a cushion for the uninformed so they are not getting millions in warranty claims from improper operation. The restriction allows a large group of people to own these saws with a broad tolerance for operator error. The big guys could port these at a deminimous cost, but would open themselves up to added risk which the few dollar markup would not cover.

Final example....my old king ranch with the 6.4 L diesel put out around 350 -400 hp and roughly600 ft lbs of torque at the wheels. One mod I could have done added 50 hp. What I ought added 200 plus horsepower and dyno tested at 1200 ft lbs of torque. Emissions.....it had many but the downside was there was so much compression the heads could lift. Ford knows guys hit the pedal, so to reduce risk and associated cost, tuned it down.

Sorry to rant, just sitting in the tree stand seeing no deer. Luckily guys that are part of this forum are knowledgable enough to make the mods the manufacturers will not.

 

EPA regulations are ruining many things. Do you think the strato saws were designed for just something to do. That P/C is much more complex that casting a copy of a ported saw. Adding computers to saws for simplicity?

Look at VW and the diesel scandal. Do you think VW defeated emission standards to get worse fuel economy and poorer performance.

 

I agree with you for the most part. However in the VW example operating in a manner to lower NoX emissions really hurts performance and mileage.

 

Correct. Thats why they had a bypass mode for it to operate in unless it was in a testing mode. They wanted to maximize mpg and power. Once it was in full emissions mode power and mpg decreased.

 

Yep pretty much.

Plus there is the risk of warranty - consider the average warranty situation: the owner leaves the fuel in too long. The owner doesn't mix the premix right. The owner doesn't follow the start sequence exactly. If you put modded worksaws into the hands of these individuals, you will get a lot of returns and reliability issues. They just don't want the risk, even if a well modded saw very robust.

The other factor is emissions and noise. I don't believe they can do anything they want or else they would.

 

Technically they can do what they want , they can make better performance saw just because can make something from the beggining ( new cases , cylinders , pistons , e.t.c ) but i believe that they leave the situation as it is , they have made the big name and the sales go perfect so no reason to wake up the beast

 

The bigest issue is the operator not the gasoline .

 

In America the gasoline is definitely a problem.

In Canada and other parts of the world I think it's less of a problem.

 

Luckily the gas station near my house sells 93 octane that is ethanol free.

 

if you talk about ethanol its a world wide problem