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Stove Decision; feedback welcomed

Discussion in 'Modern EPA Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Kimberly, Mar 20, 2015.

  1. Canadian border VT

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    center it you want to take off sheet rock anyway put in your header then cover with concrete board and put up something that goes with your decor you could do it yourself. I want to see pics... my first forum took me a while to figure out quotes Goodluck :D
     
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  2. Kimberly

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    Been doing some online shopping.

    The Englander @ HD $798.49 (including shipping and tax)

    The WoodPro 2.0 @ M $694.07 (including shipping)
    The WoodPro 2.6 @ M $836.00 (including shipping)

    The TimberRidge 50-TNC13 (scratch and dent) @ AM FM $720.00 (including shipping)

    Menards shipping is over $200.00

    All of those cuts seriously into the amount set aside for this project; may have to think stove now, other things later. I didn't know the costs of things at the time.
     
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    Go to HD and change store location to 81303. Price is $649. I think maybe $99 for shipping? PS, looking at NC30
     
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    Not a fan of my 13, the firebox is too small for me.

    We are up and down constantly restoking it. Serious PIA!
     
  5. Kimberly

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    Yes, Home Depot, $649.00 with shipping and tax comes to $798.49.
     
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    oh duh, sorry :emb:
     
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  7. Canadian border VT

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    yeah I got home depot englander nc-13 have to put wood in it every 3 hours or cold relight light:mad:.. too small of firebox 1.8 cubic feet and good draft. I personally would rule out any stove that does not have a grate and good ash pan setup! look into burn times ask people here they are more real then what most companies post
     
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    There is a lot of people with Ash grates and ash pans that do not like them and do not use them.
    So I guess that might be a matter of preference
     
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    I was looking at the dimensions of the Englander NC30 Product Depth (in.) 31. The stove is deeper than it is wide; Product Width (in.) 23.25. It is going to be out into the room a bit with the hearth. However, I guess that is a price to pay; a corner install is not possible.
     
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    One thing to note on the 30 is the necessary r-value on the hearth is pretty high. I'm sure the gang here can guide you on building one cheaply but wanted to point that out.
     
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    that's a good point that's the biggest downside of that stove
     
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    Welcome Kimberly, great bunch of people here that will be glad to help you how they can.

    My $.02
    Stoves:
    2 cuft is usually considered the min size for overnight burns in a non-cat (non-catalytic) stove. A smaller stove, like the 13nc that you have considered, can produce good heat but need reloaded often. That isn't practical during the night or while at work. By the time you wake up/get home, the house is cold and the fire is out. Some people only burn in the evenings and on the weekends, or heat a very small space, and that is practical for them. Englander (marketed under different names) and Drolet are always recommended when someone asks for a good stove with a tight budget. The 30NC should serve you well.

    Chimneys:
    Class A chimney (prefab) is much cheaper and has several advantages over a masonry chimney. You mentioned a through the wall chimney install, and that is an option. Another option is through the ceiling. Typically-cheaper, better draft, don't have to worry about that stud in the wall. http://firewoodhoardersclub.com/forums/threads/advice-on-new-stove-install-ideal-steel.11109/

    Wood:
    Get it now. New EPA stoves do not preform on wet wood. We go on and on about the importance of truly seasoned (DRY!) wood. These stoves are not like the stoves from back in the day that would give acceptable results on wet wood. People that buy new stoves and try to burn wet wood are not happy, the stoves are often blamed. RARELY is wood sold as "seasoned" truly dry. Depending on species, most of us c/s/s (cut, split,stack) our wood for 3-4 years or more, before burning. A few species will be ok in a year. Get it now. You are already behind for next winter.

    Ask all the questions you want, we would be glad to help.
     
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    Here is a little something for you to read
    Good Chimney.png
    Good Chimney2.png
     
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    :yes:
     
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    That would not be a downside for me, call us over cautious,---but I think most would be extra cautious too in a manufactured home anyway. Both below the stove and the wall behind the stove.
     
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    WOW, great post. You are generous to take the time to write it down to share, and you have a way with words that make it understandable for everyone. :yes:
     
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    I want to thank everyone here for their advice, it is truly appreciated. It is good to be able to come here and interact with others that own and operate wood stoves.

    I like to hear from anyone on the heat output, would I have to worry about that stove making the living area too warm. Can you just load a couple of logs with these stoves? I guess I asking about operation because when we use to burn wood, it was just a firebox lined with brick and that was it.
     
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    yes, get a stove with a big firebox and build a little fire a few small splits. dear friend has hearthstone heritage soap stone in living room (a big stove) on a ranch with cathedral ceiling much like your setup. in fall or shoulder season and rainy and damp a small bed of coals 2 or 3 splits fully dampered takes dampness off and great for drying wet sweatshirts!
     
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    When it's above about 10-15 deg., I don't fill the stove during the day. I usually do a full load only on the overnight fire.
    With the NC30, I can put a single split on the coals I rake to the front, and that alone will not only keep the temp up in the house, but also sometimes increase it while also helping to burn down coals.
    As has been said, you can always put less wood in a large stove, but you can only get so much wood into a smaller stove......or something like that.
    My old airtight stove had me up and down either messing with the air or adding wood more often than the new one.
    My stove room can get fairly uncomfortable with the stove at 500 deg. (it's 10x15), but as you move to the other end of the house, temps drop to more comfortable levels.
    Most of the time, the house is very comfortable, w/o being blown out or needing to open windows.
     
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    I have measured the space; and read the stove manual and the hearth requirements; created some to scale drawings of the room and the stove and I don't think I will be able to fit that stove without it taking up a 1/3 of the room I intend to install it in due to the depth of the stove, it is a deep stove. According to the installation manual the hearth needs to extend 16 inches in front of the stove. Even with having a non combustible wall I don't think it will work. I would love to have the NC30 but it is a deep stove.

    As I contemplate, are their any other recommendations on stoves if I don't go with the NC30?
     
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