Some States Fight Back Against New EPA Wood Burner Rules!!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-on-wood-stove-regulations/?intcmp=latestnews

This is great news! Some states are actually fighting back against these thugs! Minnesota currently has a bill on the floor that would negate the EPA's authority over heating your home!

Ted

 

We are the goverment, we are here to help. LOL Thanks for sharing Flyboy.

 

Nice to hear for sure !

 

I love my stove...the day I lose that right will be a big loss!

 

What's the issue here? The article is explicit that the proposed regulations would only apply to new stove installations. Nobody is coming to confiscate your old smoke dragon.

 

Question is where does it stop? Will they regulate sale of used stoves? Prevent industry professionals from installing used stoves? Force removal of non-compliant stoves when selling real estate (as they do in Oregon)? What about trading up to a bigger stove? Would a trade in stove lose all value because a dealer wouldn't be able to re-sell it? Sure, I've got my stove installed, I'm happy with it and the new requirements won't affect me..... or will they? When heating oil goes to $6 per gallon and propane to $5 causing more foreclosures in my neighborhood, the value of my property will go down (think they'll reduce my taxes? No way!!). Regulations like this have an insidious way of affecting EVERYONE at least indirectly...

 

Yeah...it always starts out a little bad and then incrementally you lose more. Done ranting!

 

Call me naive, but I don't believe the slope from an easily enforced limit on manufacturers, to difficult-to-enforce limits on commercial sellers and service people, then further down to nearly impossible-to-enforce regulations on casual private sales, is all that slippery absent the special Fox News anxiety lubricant.

 

Exactly, Fox news sucks and they just want to get people riled up and it looks like (here and arborist site) its working.

 

The lessons learned is to be pro active. Discussing issues shows you and friends share similar concerns that are not aligned with what is being proposed to become law. Countermeasures requires stepping up to the plate and striking back with just as much voice and convection as those who which to over regulate you. Get going, write letters, become or back appropriate representation. The silent majority never gets anything but stepped on.

 

Some how or another this site is going to end up with a political sub forum...
I vote for the "Outhouse"

 

If it smells of politics, it is doomed as politics, as such, are not appreciate in this forum. The mods often will allow us to alert others that something's are going on, but No battling it out.

 

To keep it non-political:
The article states that the EPA estimates 18% of all soot is from woodstoves.
They fail to expand that the 18% is actually a lower total real number as the PM10 concentrations have come down dramatically over the past 30-40years.

It makes me wonder if there isn't a stove manufacturer with a design already in the pipeline to meet these standards, and they are in someone's pocket at the EPA......I'm a cynical guy

 

"estimates 18%" ? Can you differentiate between a back yard fire pit soot & wood stove soot, camp fire soot (or forest fire soot) ?
Who estimated, why, how, where. ? ?
Not only do we need more facts , but it's another rule that needs to be voted on,
not decreed to be the law by who?


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Similar to the law to controlling the release of methane :
Cows to have an automatic methane ignitor attached soon LOL

 

We need more tin foil.

 

I think that cow needs a spark arrester....

 

SHHHHH!
epa don't need more ideas

LOL

 

Spark it isn't tinfoil to some of us that take things into perspective.
If you quantitate the actual PM10 particulates say coal burners put off 1000mtons per annum 10years ago and wood stoves put off 20mtons and were a tiny "percentage" that really ends up being low on their radar when you factor in fugitive emissions and all other sources. When you cut the coal burners down to a level below 50% contribution by mandating scrubbers and SCR's etc. the woodstoves are kicking along low on the radar with no changes since the early 90's and assumptions are made to the stoves that are installed and how much they burn and their rate is never adjusted to the actual reported data by powerplants(I have to do some of these reports for EPA and ADEM) you have to be semi skeptical.

Does the 18% number take into account the a-hole that burns his trash on a beautiful spring evening when I walk out my door into that smell of burning plastic - I'm going to guess no as the gathering stations are located in metropolitan areas... And they correlate "data" into 24hr averages for worst case high levels etc. In other words they try to make the data fit their models for elimination/reduction of sources.

I don't hate the EPA or what it has done to clean the air and water resources, I just truly believe we dedicate way to much power to a non-representative branch dept. of gov't that feels the need to force their ideas onto a free populace. If they could provide a detailed analysis of how this would actually reduce soot(they can't without borrowing another 200billion and coming to all of our homes and monitoring 24/7/365) and proving it actually has a net health effect(another sticky subject with their data analysis) and then how they plan on enforcing it...its all bumpkis.

Or you just hate Fox News and feel the need to bash anything they "report" on without factual basis to back it up.....**** no punching allowed****

 

Definition of "tin foil "

'"Named for the famous image of a conspiracy nut wearing a tin foil hat to ward off mind controling radio waves the government unleashes on the unsuspecting populous"

LOL
Everyone know you have to use aluminum foil for that.
Come on man !