Some Interesting Learning about the New EPA Regulations Game

Thanks to Wood Stock Stove Company for this information.

I burn a non-cat stove , mainly due to I got it for $689.

But would love to have a newer design someday.

 

I didn't read the entire 9 pages but I got a gist of it when I saw the burn rate and efficiency chart near the end.
I'll be fortunate enough to get some of that hybrid technology this winter.
Good post Hunt

 

Looks like a lot of whining from Woodstock to me. I like how they say Jotul pollutes 346% more because their stove burns at 4gph while Woodstock burns at 1gph. 3 grams of particulate is not that big of a difference. That's like saying a 20" split produces 300% more BTU' s than a 17" split because its 3" longer. You'll never notice the difference. they are both pretty darn clean compared to the old smoke dragons of the past.

Personally I think the standards are good enough for wood stoves. EPA should be after the real polluters like the OWB's.

 

I am not cat stove user but I think the Non-Cat industry started making issues first as its going to be alot harder for them to reach the new standards.

I think Wood Stock who is a pretty good guy kind of people are only saying what they said as a defense. They are not picking any fights here. Just defending themselves. I dont think we would have seen that put out by wood stock if non-cat industry hadnt been muddying the waters.

And I am a not cat user. I am not on either side.

Whats going to happen is the gov might just put the non-cats as thing of the past.

Non-cats are just fighting for their lives.

So I dont blame either side its just what happens.

 

You were never too good with numbers, were you? It would be like saying a 20'' split produces 17.6% more BTU's than a 17'' split if you calculate the percent difference correctly.

 

i think when its all said and done the "1.3GPH" number is not going to be the limit , its going to be higher. maybe in the 2.0 range when its all said and done.
as for non cats burning clean , our 30-nc was tested at 1.6 GPH by an independant agency 10 years ago

 

Down the road, and next to the river in town, there is a place where they sell wood. They also have 2-3dozen smelt shacks on the river during the winter. Just down the road another two miles, same thing. These shacks use wood heat in little stoves. On cloudy nights, the air is so full of smoke, you can hardly see. Just like a dense fog. But the worst part is the caustic air. I am so glad my home is up the hill, too far up for the smoke to reach us. The houses in that area are right next to each other. I don't know how they tolerate living there. Doesn't seem that existing regulations are doing any good.

 

Lol, yeah I'm horrible at math, just trying to say the difference between 1 and 4 GPH isnt as big a deal as Woodstock stated in the article.

Dry wood and proper burning techniques are key. More education less regulation.

 

There you have a situation where people are burning the old fashioned stoves and the regulations only regulate new stoves being produced. Plus Outdoor wood furnaces are not regulated at the moment. New stoves have no smoke visible out of the flue for most of the burn cycle.

So we have alot of effort to put more regulations on stoves that already have no visible smoke coming from the flue. So we are going to have new regulations that lowers emissions so we have more non-visible smoke coming from the flue, ok that was kind of a joke but its true. While one of these brand new contraptions has cleaner exhaust your neighbor could be burning a OWB and making your investment seem worthless.

But in the end we do live in a free country and I dont like seeing anymore feedoms go away.

 

I burn a cat stove and am for clean burn and air. But as said how can the government insure people use seasoned wood to attain the clean standards. Sure a cat can clean up the smoke off green wood but once the ruin their cat and are too ignorant to swap it out or too cheap cause there wrecking them in 2 seasons they essentially have an old smoke dragon again?

 

And was woodstock pushing something to basically make all other stoves besides their new technology illegal? I saw their website with an spa petition. Seems a little strange to me.

 

Yeah, there are a lot of politics throughout the stove world. It's kinda like high school and different cliques fighting for prom queen.

 

Yea the smoke dragons give all burners a bad name

 

He also knows that unless the industry cleans up its own act, the EPA is going to shut down wood burning for heat in the name "saving" the environment. If a little company like Woodstock can produce one of the cleanest burning hybrids in the industry, just think what the big boys in the industry could accomplish if they'd just invest some of their profits into R&D instead of continuing to sell decades old tech.

 

"He also knows that unless the industry cleans up its own act, the EPA is going to shut down wood burning for heat in the name "saving" the environment. " ... unless we shut the EPA down first. I can dream can't I...

 

Ok what is a hybrid? I mean I know the definition of the word and what it means but in regards to stove tech?

Combination between tube stove and cat?