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ropes and knots - pulling trees

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  1. Joe P

    Joe P

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    Hi guys -

    Gonna hit the woods this weekend and drop some dead oaks. I've got a massdam rope puller (3/4" ton) and 150 feet of 1/2 inch, 3-strand rope. There is only one tree that I want to put a rope on, the rest I can wedge over.

    This particular tree, don't have any good branches to get a line over, so I was going to go up the ladder maybe 10-12 feet or so and attach the line to the tree using a running bowline. I noticed on all the videos on how to tie this particular knot, they are using climbing line (the smooth stuff).

    I'm curious if I should be rigging my rope (because its 3 strand) to the tree differently than a running bowline knot. This particular tree has been dead standing for a while and I want a rope on it just for a little more control. The knot that I'm tying with the 3 strand looks correct, I'm just wondering if the holding power is different on a 3 strand rope versus the smooth climbin rope.

    Any advice is appreciated...

    J
     
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  2. amateur cutter

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    I use a bowline knot most of the time with my bull rope, never had any issue. Get it up as high as you can for leverage obviously.
     
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    Rope type doesn't matter. It's the tensile strength that matters. We have pulled trees over with dyneema throwline and I was absolutely hauling on that line. Climb line looks like bull rope, please don't use climb line for anything else.

    I have a 200 ft bull rope rated at 13,000 lbs or so. It's the size of my finger.

    3 twist rope is only rated for hand pulling. Get it high and be careful.
     
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    Bowlines are good in any rope as far as I know, it was one of the go to knots learned early in Boy Scouts. Here's a good video on an easy flip method of tying them.

     
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    The 3 strand is not real strong. Beware.
     
  6. Joe P

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    I bought this kit, which has Samson 3-braid rope.

    Maasdam Rope Puller Kit

    It's done what I've asked of it. Including, dragging white oak logs about 80ft, through the woods.

    By no means am I a rope expert.
     
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    Got out in the woods. Didn't use the maadam for pulling over trees, used it to get down a bad snag that I managed to achieve on my last tree of the day. As the tree came off the stump, the crown rolled it just enough to get it snagged in a 50' jack pine. Knights of Columbus!!

    Couldn't move it with the puller, even with the rope pretty high up the trunk, so I ended up taking pieces off the stump side and whittling it down until it was a little more vertical. Got the rope on it again and down it came.

    Decided it was time to call it a day after that one. Overall, got 6 oaks down. Between those, and the other blown down stuff, I'm gonna be a splitting fool this spring. In hind sight, I should have had the wife film it or take pictures, but was having to much fun running the 572. :)

    I do think I'm going to evaluate the rope set-up and try to get some heavier 13000 lb line. I know I can only get 1500 lbs on the puller so its unlikely I'm going to snap a 5700 lb line with it, but man, watching that line tighten up, made me nervous.
     
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